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Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #3003564
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All that youth license talk gonna perk some ears on how to make more money lol...

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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by Zkd22
I recently became a Mississippi resident. I have a lifetime Alabama license and I own property in Alabama and pay taxes on it. I know some may disagree but I think it’s bs that I have to buy a non resident baiting permit.


Same here. In fact, I think if you got a ticket for not having a baiting "privilege" permit, you could take it to court and win. The lifetime license entitles you to all hunting privileges for the rest of your life in Alabama. And that's what you paid for. If they started requiring a bow and arrow permit, would that be excluded too? It's silly.

Think of it this way. If the state "took away" certain hunting privileges, would they give you a fraction of your money back? No. So why should you pay more for more privileges?

You're saying yourself it's an extra privilege and asking why you pay. That makes no sense...
No way you win that in court. You have the privilege to hunt, that hasn't been lost. Baiting is a perk not a right... I could care less how it works, I just know I'll buy the permit if I come down to hunt over bait. You guys should hunt waterfowl without a waterfowl stamp, no difference...

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On a side note, the state wants to allow baiting, allow baiting, set a limit on how much an individual can put out and roll with it. The permits are silly.

We can bait deer/elk here but, I'm not wasting my money... No permit required

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Originally Posted by nacho



They also have a junior license that has to be purchased for youth age 13 to 16 that’s around $42 per year.



FORTY TWO dollars for youth age 13-16?

Alabama's resident annual all-game license is $27.75.


IMO that's a damned joke to charge a kid age 13-16 that much to hunt.


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Originally Posted by Ol’Tom
It is a bunch of BS. When I bought my life time, I didn’t think I’d ever have to shell out an more cash, but I did for me and 2 grandchildren. How about that for BS!


I don't follow. If you have a lifetime liscence why would you be required to purchase anything else. If you are speaking of the baiting permit that is not a requirement it is a choice. The state giving people more choices instead of less choices, I thought most of the folks on here was for more choices.


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Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: Clem] #3003611
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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by nacho



They also have a junior license that has to be purchased for youth age 13 to 16 that’s around $42 per year.



FORTY TWO dollars for youth age 13-16?

Alabama's resident annual all-game license is $27.75.


IMO that's a damned joke to charge a kid age 13-16 that much to hunt.



Here in Oregon 12-17 youth license is $10 unless they buy the $55 sports pac. Youth 17 years old and younger are required to have hunters ed.18+ there's no hunters safety required

Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: kodiak06] #3003617
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Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by Zkd22
I recently became a Mississippi resident. I have a lifetime Alabama license and I own property in Alabama and pay taxes on it. I know some may disagree but I think it’s bs that I have to buy a non resident baiting permit.


Same here. In fact, I think if you got a ticket for not having a baiting "privilege" permit, you could take it to court and win. The lifetime license entitles you to all hunting privileges for the rest of your life in Alabama. And that's what you paid for. If they started requiring a bow and arrow permit, would that be excluded too? It's silly.

Think of it this way. If the state "took away" certain hunting privileges, would they give you a fraction of your money back? No. So why should you pay more for more privileges?

You're saying yourself it's an extra privilege and asking why you pay. That makes no sense...
No way you win that in court. You have the privilege to hunt, that hasn't been lost. Baiting is a perk not a right... I could care less how it works, I just know I'll buy the permit if I come down to hunt over bait. You guys should hunt waterfowl without a waterfowl stamp, no difference...


Lifetime license entitles you to all hunting privileges. Their words not mine. And baiting fee is a “privilege fee”. It’s easy to understand, honestly.
You buy the lifetime license so you don’t have to fool with future fees, privileges and whatever pleases the crown.

Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #3003618
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No hunter ed safety required for 18+? However do you guys not kill, maim and injure each other while enjoying your hunting pursuits?

Because for years we've been told ad nauseum that without hunter safety we don't need to be in the woods or we'll be shooting up everything including ourselves.

Scary. Horrors! Tsk, tsk, tsk.


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Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: kodiak06] #3003620
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Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by Zkd22
I recently became a Mississippi resident. I have a lifetime Alabama license and I own property in Alabama and pay taxes on it. I know some may disagree but I think it’s bs that I have to buy a non resident baiting permit.


Same here. In fact, I think if you got a ticket for not having a baiting "privilege" permit, you could take it to court and win. The lifetime license entitles you to all hunting privileges for the rest of your life in Alabama. And that's what you paid for. If they started requiring a bow and arrow permit, would that be excluded too? It's silly.

Think of it this way. If the state "took away" certain hunting privileges, would they give you a fraction of your money back? No. So why should you pay more for more privileges?

You're saying yourself it's an extra privilege and asking why you pay. That makes no sense...
No way you win that in court. You have the privilege to hunt, that hasn't been lost. Baiting is a perk not a right... I could care less how it works, I just know I'll buy the permit if I come down to hunt over bait. You guys should hunt waterfowl without a waterfowl stamp, no difference...


the hell there isn't


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Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: kodiak06] #3003622
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Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by nacho



They also have a junior license that has to be purchased for youth age 13 to 16 that’s around $42 per year.



FORTY TWO dollars for youth age 13-16?

Alabama's resident annual all-game license is $27.75.


IMO that's a damned joke to charge a kid age 13-16 that much to hunt.



Here in Oregon 12-17 youth license is $10 unless they buy the $55 sports pac. Youth 17 years old and younger are required to have hunters ed.18+ there's no hunters safety required



we're not trying to be like the left coast....


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Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #3003656
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In GA you buy a license to hunt as well as a big game permit. The license is 100 for out of state and the big game permit is 225. Eventually you'll see this in AL.
FL license is cheap but you have to buy permit for each weapon to hunt with. ML, Bow & Rifle. It's just a matter of time before AL does this.


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Originally Posted by BamaGrad85
In GA you buy a license to hunt as well as a big game permit. The license is 100 for out of state and the big game permit is 225. Eventually you'll see this in AL.
FL license is cheap but you have to buy permit for each weapon to hunt with. ML, Bow & Rifle. It's just a matter of time before AL does this.


You're right, it's only a matter of time.

Alabama was "last" in not having some kind of reporting system or buck limits. Oh, it was an embarassing tragedy that we weren't progressive and updated and just like everyone else. For shame, for shame. Gosh, those overall-wearin' rubes in Alabama didn't have any data!

We only had public hunting land where hunters could go and hunt. But doggone it, we didn't have any kind of "special experience!" draw hunts where scads of hunters would pay a small, nonrefundable fee to maybe be drawn for that special experience. Thankfully, now we have the SOA hunts and are like other states!

And now we're that old fuddy duddy state with, pshaw, just ONE hunting license that covers everything for everyone. No weapon permits or anything special. Geesh, such an outdated license-permit structure.

We definitely will have to catch up with everyone else and have junior licenses, weapon-specific permit licenses and whatever else so we can be part of the crew. We have to get away from those exclusionary, teat-sucking days and make everyone pay their fair share.


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Re: Lifetime license BS [Re: Zkd22] #3003695
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Originally Posted by Zkd22
I think it’s bs that I have to buy a non resident baiting permit.

You do not have to purchase it. Nobody does. Hunting over bait is not a requirement.


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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by nacho



They also have a junior license that has to be purchased for youth age 13 to 16 that’s around $42 per year.



FORTY TWO dollars for youth age 13-16?

Alabama's resident annual all-game license is $27.75.


IMO that's a damned joke to charge a kid age 13-16 that much to hunt.



Here in Oregon 12-17 youth license is $10 unless they buy the $55 sports pac. Youth 17 years old and younger are required to have hunters ed.18+ there's no hunters safety required



we're not trying to be like the left coast....

Didn't say Alabama was. It was comparing a youth $10 license cost to the $42 cost in Tn

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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by Zkd22
I recently became a Mississippi resident. I have a lifetime Alabama license and I own property in Alabama and pay taxes on it. I know some may disagree but I think it’s bs that I have to buy a non resident baiting permit.


Same here. In fact, I think if you got a ticket for not having a baiting "privilege" permit, you could take it to court and win. The lifetime license entitles you to all hunting privileges for the rest of your life in Alabama. And that's what you paid for. If they started requiring a bow and arrow permit, would that be excluded too? It's silly.

Think of it this way. If the state "took away" certain hunting privileges, would they give you a fraction of your money back? No. So why should you pay more for more privileges?

You're saying yourself it's an extra privilege and asking why you pay. That makes no sense...
No way you win that in court. You have the privilege to hunt, that hasn't been lost. Baiting is a perk not a right... I could care less how it works, I just know I'll buy the permit if I come down to hunt over bait. You guys should hunt waterfowl without a waterfowl stamp, no difference...


the hell there isn't

Whats the differance? A baiting privilege has nothing to do with a life time hunting license, it's 2 different things.

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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by nacho



They also have a junior license that has to be purchased for youth age 13 to 16 that’s around $42 per year.



FORTY TWO dollars for youth age 13-16?

Alabama's resident annual all-game license is $27.75.


IMO that's a damned joke to charge a kid age 13-16 that much to hunt.





I paid $162 for just a resident hunting license here in TN that includes the WMA permit. I remember only paying $150 for a TN non resident license in the late 90's.


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I was told$42.00, might be because it’s a different state than you. I also own the land, pisses me off .


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Originally Posted by Out back
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I think it’s bs that I have to buy a non resident baiting permit.

You do not have to purchase it. Nobody does. Hunting over bait is not a requirement.

Oh I know. I won’t be buying one

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Originally Posted by bill
Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by nacho



They also have a junior license that has to be purchased for youth age 13 to 16 that’s around $42 per year.



FORTY TWO dollars for youth age 13-16?

Alabama's resident annual all-game license is $27.75.


IMO that's a damned joke to charge a kid age 13-16 that much to hunt.





I paid $162 for just a resident hunting license here in TN that includes the WMA permit. I remember only paying $150 for a TN non resident license in the late 90's.


I've always been appreciative of the low license fees here even with my Lifetime license. I'm also surprised the annual resident hunting and fishing license costs are not at least double or almost double what they are now.


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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by BigEd
Originally Posted by Ol’Tom
It is a bunch of BS. When I bought my life time, I didn’t think I’d ever have to shell out an more cash, but I did for me and 2 grandchildren. How about that for BS!



It is BS that a permit must be bought for kids that aren't old enough to need a license.


Not requiring anyone 15 or younger to purchase a hunting license but requiring them to pay for this "baiting privilege" is nothing but a money grab and attempt to jack the numbers for federal license excise tax money. It's akin to fraud.

I still maintain my belief that within a few more years we'll have required licenses for teens, like age 10-15, as a "junior license" along with segmented weapons fees for centerfire, muzzleloader, bow and crossbow. Too much money being left on the table to not go after these things.

Lot of other possibilities for mandatory fees. Fishing guides could be hit with an annual state fee. Lot of hunting lodges and guides, too.

Do other conservative state administrations routinely increase mandatory fees and impose mandatory regulations? I thought those things happened only in liberal states like California, New Jersey, New York and Illinois.


I'm sorry, but his is such an ridiculous statement to me. We actually SHOULD require that youth/senior hunters buy (or at least register/sign up for) licenses for the very reason you stated. We are not receiving a ton of Federal Excise tax funds from the Pittman Robertson Act that then go to other states because we are reporting lower hunter numbers. This is money that we have ALREADY PAID due to taxes on firearms and ammunition required by the Act. We get that money back in a proportionate amount, which is calculated by...DING DING DING...the number of licensed hunters. The fact that you are pissed that we MIGHT someday require youth/senior hunters purchase licenses is mind boggling. I'm not even actually saying they should have to pay for the license, but they should at least have to register that they intended to hunt, just so that we can show that our hunting numbers are far higher than the actual number of licenses sold. And of course the baiting privilege is a money grab, but who cares? Where do you think that money goes? It goes back into the AL DNR, which then uses it to manage our wildlife. If you have an issue with HOW the DNR manages the wildlife, that's one thing, but the only way the AL DNR gets funding is through licenses and other registration/usage fees, and then the Federal funding from Pittman Robertson. They don't receive any funds from the State.

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