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Re: % of bucks
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
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12/05/19 03:26 PM
12/05/19 03:26 PM
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N. Bama
257wbymag
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Boo Boo Head
Joined: Jan 2011
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N. Bama
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I’m hoping there’s a few less does on my place at dark today
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: % of bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/05/19 03:43 PM
12/05/19 03:43 PM
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Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
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Fancy
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,077
Right behind you
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How would you go about figuring out your doe to buck ratio if you wanted to do it yourself? Do a camera survey. There’s several good ones on line. MSU has a good pdf on their deer lab site that explains how to accurately conduct a survey.
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Re: % of bucks
[Re: Mbrock]
#2976433
12/05/19 04:25 PM
12/05/19 04:25 PM
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B'ham
Goatkiller
14 point
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14 point
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,166
B'ham
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Outback speaketh truth. It’s also hard to comprehend that bucks will often seek out better habitat with more resources and cover, away from doe social units for about 10 months out of year. If you improve your habitat, balance your ratio by removing some does(not eliminating them), then your buck observations will almost certainly increase. If you shoot the does you will see more bucks? 100% False Statement. You will see less deer overall. 1) There is NOWHERE in this state that is overpopulated with deer. Show me and area with starving deer. You cant. Let's end that asinine assumption right there. If it exists in some local area that does not impact the entire State, fine but the rules Statewide are shoot everything you see. #1 doesn't exist as an excuse for a Statewide open season. 2) Shoot 10 does and draw XX number of bucks off your neighbor's property because you have better habitat? Really? . How about this.... and it doesn't take a college degree in deer management to understand - if you leave the 10 does and they drop one fawn each... you will have 5 bucks just using 50%. What if some drop 2 fawns then what? How many bucks do you have next year then? Are you gonna draw 8 bucks off your neighbors property because you have better habitat? If your neighbor was overpopulated with bucks how did that even happen? What? You hunting on 10,000 acres or something? It is not possible unless you are shooting all the small bucks yourself creating a circular problem. Those facts are like Adam Shiff's fact pattern. They don't support each other. #2 is stupid. 3) What if you neighbor blasts every spike that walks past? You aren't seeing any bucks but read on ALDeer to blast does. You shoot 10. Next season you have 20 less deer, minimum. Some of which were and will die of natural causes either way. #3 is stupid. This is the EXACT problem with the State's management plan. Most importantly I want to qualify my argument.... We shot several deer including does last 2 weeks on our place. We took out a couple older does that were punks and would come around the shooting house and start blowing every time someone was in it. Shot one that looked sick. One three legged buck 1/2 rack hobbling around buck that must have been hit by a car or got caught in a fence. That is a picture of proper deer management. I am not against shooting does. I am against the above mentality that is - shoot deer you will have more deer. Dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: % of bucks
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
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12/05/19 04:39 PM
12/05/19 04:39 PM
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B'ham
Goatkiller
14 point
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14 point
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I am not calling anyone Stupid. I am calling the theory Stupid.
It is a total and absolute loss of common sense.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: % of bucks
[Re: Goatkiller]
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12/05/19 04:47 PM
12/05/19 04:47 PM
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Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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Grumpy Old Man
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Clanton, AL
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I am not calling anyone Stupid. I am calling the theory Stupid.
It is a total and absolute loss of common sense.
Animals do not have common sense. They don't have the ability to reason or feel emotions or send valentines flowers. They are wild and they operate on pure primal instinct. This is the single most difficult aspect for humans to comprehend.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: % of bucks
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/05/19 05:10 PM
12/05/19 05:10 PM
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Posts: 21,782
USA
Remington270
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 21,782
USA
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Outback speaketh truth. It’s also hard to comprehend that bucks will often seek out better habitat with more resources and cover, away from doe social units for about 10 months out of year. If you improve your habitat, balance your ratio by removing some does(not eliminating them), then your buck observations will almost certainly increase. Are you saying that a lack of does will somehow attract more bucks, outside of the rut? How is this possible?
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Re: % of bucks
[Re: Remington270]
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12/05/19 05:16 PM
12/05/19 05:16 PM
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Posts: 13,054
Montgomery, Alabama
jaredhunts
Puts sugar in his cornbread!
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Puts sugar in his cornbread!
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 13,054
Montgomery, Alabama
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Outback speaketh truth. It’s also hard to comprehend that bucks will often seek out better habitat with more resources and cover, away from doe social units for about 10 months out of year. If you improve your habitat, balance your ratio by removing some does(not eliminating them), then your buck observations will almost certainly increase. Are you saying that a lack of does will somehow attract more bucks, outside of the rut? How is this possible? More food and less stress.
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Re: % of bucks
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
#2976489
12/05/19 05:28 PM
12/05/19 05:28 PM
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Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
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I have hunted 3 afternoons and seen 24 bucks.
I did not keep up with the # of does. But, it was about the same, or less. And, several of those ‘does’ were fawns that may well have been bucks. But they were unantlered deer.
Last edited by Hogwild; 12/05/19 05:29 PM.
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