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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: Fun4all] #2701217
01/10/19 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Fun4all
Originally Posted by AUstan23
Originally Posted by Beadlescomb
i plan on trying to hunt some out of state public land next season. want to see how different it really is


It is extremely different. I am convinced that the deer in western ky and surrounding areas are literally dumber, like they look and act almost like a completely different animal. There are big bucks damn near everywhere. I've seen prolly close to ten 3+ year old bucks this season all bow hunting public land near my place. Alabama is essentially a deer and turkey desert compared to northern states.


Go to Google earth and look at all those other places that aren't pine plantations, cutover and swamps and you will understand the difference between ag land and pine plantation land. Deer are in the pine plantation, just harder to see and figure them out sometimes.



Absolutely! The area that I’m referring to is all pine plantation. Thousands of acres.


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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: BCLC] #2701223
01/10/19 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BCLC
Originally Posted by 257wbymag
Now I'm up in Colorado and got a fuzzy head right now....


Pass that chit this way and tell us a hunting story beers


lol


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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: leroycnbucks] #2701285
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Build a sanctuary and learn how to interact with it, which takes lots of carefulness planning thought extreme scent control but it can work for you


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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: leroycnbucks] #2701316
01/10/19 09:41 AM
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I've hunted whitetails all over this State and most of the surrounding States. I have a place to hunt in Tennessee, I have a place to hunt in South Georgia and I've hunted all over the MS Delta, Arkansas, the boot heel of Missouri, NW Tennessee and I have a 1st cousin that has a HUGE farm in Iowa.

There is nowhere in the Southeastern U.S. that is so rural that the deer don't come into contact with humans on a regular basis. I think we are under the misconception that they will hang out on a few hundred acres their whole lives but that's not my experience. My experience is that me and someone else got the same deer on a game camera and the pictures were taken 2 miles away. That might not be the case in the mountains where the terrain is tough but outside of NE AL I would say that holds true for the most part. At a minimum your neighbors and you are hunting the same deer. Don't care if you have 1500 acres. There might be a swamp donkey holed up in a swamp down around the TN/Tom somewhere here or there but I would say that does not represent the other 90% of this State. To me hunting deer in pines isn't hard at all. The ticker the better and.... They will walk right out in a food plot. That is until you start shooting at them in it. Then you are going to sit there and look at an empty green field.

How the deer react to that has everything to do with hunting pressure. Everything else you can debate until you are blue in the face but it all boils down to who's shooting them. I've had deer in places smell me and I'm not sure they quit running until they got to the next county and same State different area stick their nose right in where I walked pick their head up look around and just mosey on off like there wasn't a thing to worry about.

You head up to the Mid-West and the seasons are shorter but also people don't shoot deer like rabbits. The bag limits are a couple deer per hunter tops. As a result the age structure is better. The genetics are better as well.... but regardless of that you see a lot of 3 year old bucks. You can see as many "deer" up there as you do here while hunting. The reason you see those 3 year old deer - they didn't get killed when they were a Spike. That is the truth and only explanation.


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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: Huntin' Nole] #2701363
01/10/19 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Huntin' Nole
Originally Posted by BCLC
Originally Posted by 257wbymag
Now I'm up in Colorado and got a fuzzy head right now....


Pass that chit this way and tell us a hunting story beers


lol



LOL..Old 257 checking out the legal pot in Colorado. Whod of thunk it! rofl

Dont get too stoned and miss your flight Matt.

I think he saw the post of growers making 1 million dollars an acre someone posted on here and is up there buying pot seeds for his farm! Son of a gun is gonna be rolling in the cash come next fall. The heck with soy, corn and cotton! shocked

Great way to make the deer easier to hunt too. Theyll be so dam stoned from eating those plants.

And easier to bait..(.i mean supplemental feed)....just throw a bag of Doritos our in the middle of the field. Bet theyll be piling into it...

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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: leroycnbucks] #2701461
01/10/19 12:24 PM
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There is truth to this for sure. Deer that are used to people are going to be easier to hunt and kill.

Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: leroycnbucks] #2701639
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I agree totally Goatkiller!!


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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: Goatkiller] #2701794
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I've hunted whitetails all over this State and most of the surrounding States. I have a place to hunt in Tennessee, I have a place to hunt in South Georgia and I've hunted all over the MS Delta, Arkansas, the boot heel of Missouri, NW Tennessee and I have a 1st cousin that has a HUGE farm in Iowa.

There is nowhere in the Southeastern U.S. that is so rural that the deer don't come into contact with humans on a regular basis. I think we are under the misconception that they will hang out on a few hundred acres their whole lives but that's not my experience. My experience is that me and someone else got the same deer on a game camera and the pictures were taken 2 miles away. That might not be the case in the mountains where the terrain is tough but outside of NE AL I would say that holds true for the most part. At a minimum your neighbors and you are hunting the same deer. Don't care if you have 1500 acres. There might be a swamp donkey holed up in a swamp down around the TN/Tom somewhere here or there but I would say that does not represent the other 90% of this State. To me hunting deer in pines isn't hard at all. The ticker the better and.... They will walk right out in a food plot. That is until you start shooting at them in it. Then you are going to sit there and look at an empty green field.

How the deer react to that has everything to do with hunting pressure. Everything else you can debate until you are blue in the face but it all boils down to who's shooting them. I've had deer in places smell me and I'm not sure they quit running until they got to the next county and same State different area stick their nose right in where I walked pick their head up look around and just mosey on off like there wasn't a thing to worry about.

You head up to the Mid-West and the seasons are shorter but also people don't shoot deer like rabbits. The bag limits are a couple deer per hunter tops. As a result the age structure is better. The genetics are better as well.... but regardless of that you see a lot of 3 year old bucks. You can see as many "deer" up there as you do here while hunting. The reason you see those 3 year old deer - they didn't get killed when they were a Spike. That is the truth and only explanation.


Give a specific definition of "contact with humans on a regular basis", please.



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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: leroycnbucks] #2702422
01/11/19 09:08 AM
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From my experience you are correct 100%. I hunt an old soybean farm where the deer were once controlled via nuisance permit. Yes they know what's up the second the first bullet starts flying.


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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: booth2] #2702490
01/11/19 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by booth2
There is truth to this for sure. Deer that are used to people are going to be easier to hunt and kill.


They should be real used to people with all the arrows and lead being flung this year in the woods.

Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: Dazzler] #2702616
01/11/19 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazzler
Originally Posted by booth2
There is truth to this for sure. Deer that are used to people are going to be easier to hunt and kill.


They should be real used to people with all the arrows and lead being flung this year in the woods.


No, I should have worded that better. Used to people, as in farmers and normal everyday living...not hunters. Deer that are used to seeing, smelling and hearing hunters are not easy to kill

Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: leroycnbucks] #2702693
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deer in northern Minnesota are also very smart these deer are hunted all year long by wolves so a week of rifle hunting just adds to a deer`s nervesness.

Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: Goatkiller] #2702715
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I've hunted whitetails all over this State and most of the surrounding States. I have a place to hunt in Tennessee, I have a place to hunt in South Georgia and I've hunted all over the MS Delta, Arkansas, the boot heel of Missouri, NW Tennessee and I have a 1st cousin that has a HUGE farm in Iowa.

There is nowhere in the Southeastern U.S. that is so rural that the deer don't come into contact with humans on a regular basis. I think we are under the misconception that they will hang out on a few hundred acres their whole lives but that's not my experience. My experience is that me and someone else got the same deer on a game camera and the pictures were taken 2 miles away. That might not be the case in the mountains where the terrain is tough but outside of NE AL I would say that holds true for the most part. At a minimum your neighbors and you are hunting the same deer. Don't care if you have 1500 acres. There might be a swamp donkey holed up in a swamp down around the TN/Tom somewhere here or there but I would say that does not represent the other 90% of this State. To me hunting deer in pines isn't hard at all. The ticker the better and.... They will walk right out in a food plot. That is until you start shooting at them in it. Then you are going to sit there and look at an empty green field.

How the deer react to that has everything to do with hunting pressure. Everything else you can debate until you are blue in the face but it all boils down to who's shooting them. I've had deer in places smell me and I'm not sure they quit running until they got to the next county and same State different area stick their nose right in where I walked pick their head up look around and just mosey on off like there wasn't a thing to worry about.

You head up to the Mid-West and the seasons are shorter but also people don't shoot deer like rabbits. The bag limits are a couple deer per hunter tops. As a result the age structure is better. The genetics are better as well.... but regardless of that you see a lot of 3 year old bucks. You can see as many "deer" up there as you do here while hunting. The reason you see those 3 year old deer - they didn't get killed when they were a Spike. That is the truth and only explanation.

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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: leroycnbucks] #2702774
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I grew up hunting AL and now live and hunt in Michigan too. I see way more deer up here than ever did in Alabama even thought the numbers are similar and I think there are several reasons. Alabama has green browse all winter long. If the deer are pressured they don't have to leave the planted pines, honeysuckle thickets or swamps until dark. Up north, most natural food sources are scarce by gun season and the deer gotta feed heavy to bulk up for the winter. They have to move or will starve. Also the rut up north is more intense and takes place over 1 or 2 weeks. In Alabama it can go off and on for a month depending on weather, etc. I have noticed when I would find a heavy deer trail in AL it is a crapshoot whether deer will use it during daylight and in MI if you find a heavy trail you will predictable see deer walking right down it. Woods are much thicker in AL too. I love hunting in Alabama but it can be tougher than a lot of other states. A buddy hunts Iowa and Texas and he swears the deer must be a different breed because they move in daylight in the open so much more.

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Re: Our deer are harder to hunt? [Re: Sasquatch Lives] #2702925
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch Lives
I grew up hunting AL and now live and hunt in Michigan too. I see way more deer up here than ever did in Alabama even thought the numbers are similar and I think there are several reasons. Alabama has green browse all winter long. If the deer are pressured they don't have to leave the planted pines, honeysuckle thickets or swamps until dark. Up north, most natural food sources are scarce by gun season and the deer gotta feed heavy to bulk up for the winter. They have to move or will starve. Also the rut up north is more intense and takes place over 1 or 2 weeks. In Alabama it can go off and on for a month depending on weather, etc. I have noticed when I would find a heavy deer trail in AL it is a crapshoot whether deer will use it during daylight and in MI if you find a heavy trail you will predictable see deer walking right down it. Woods are much thicker in AL too. I love hunting in Alabama but it can be tougher than a lot of other states. A buddy hunts Iowa and Texas and he swears the deer must be a different breed because they move in daylight in the open so much more.


This absolutely has a lot to do with seeing deer. I have hunted In MI, KY, WV and lived in MI, and WV. The deer In these places along with most other places that are mainly all hardwood forest have to come out of the woods to eat after the acorns are gone they have no choice it is that or starve. There is a reason all those places have such a short gun season and it is not because they don't have many deer. It is because they kill as many in 2-3 weeks as is killed in AL in 2-3 months. Because they are easier to see therefore easier to kill. I don't believe the age structure of bucks in those areas are much different than here. Them folks up there kill a ton of young bucks the only diffrence is there young bucks especially in the Midwest will average 20-30 more inches than young bucks in AL.

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