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seed rates #2591032
09/26/18 03:57 PM
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What percentages do you mix for wheat, clover, rape, and peas?

Re: seed rates [Re: Bugmaster] #2591035
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Disking? Or throw and mow?

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I just sowed a similar blend, I broadcasted 100 lbs per acre. No sure if that was correct but I seemed to get good coverage. I am not sure at what percentages it was mixed.

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Wheat, oats,rye 200lbs to the acre. An actual acre not what a lot of people call an acre. It amazes me sometimes what some people will call a one acre greenfield.


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I blend 40-50# small grains - equal parts wheat,oats and cereal rye - 2-3 # ladino - 2-3# Kenland red clover - 10# crimson clover - 2# diakon radishes. This is probably too much seed/ac when no-tilling and about right amount for top sowing. You get best results planting at a lower rate rather than putting on too much seed. Anything over 100#/ac is not good

Like someone else mentioned it’s a good idea to measure your fields. Lots of apps available. For years I planted and fertilized several 2-3 ac fields thinking they were 5 acs.

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Originally Posted by RiverWood
I blend 40-50# small grains - equal parts wheat,oats and cereal rye - 2-3 # ladino - 2-3# Kenland red clover - 10# crimson clover - 2# diakon radishes. This is probably too much seed/ac when no-tilling and about right amount for top sowing. You get best results planting at a lower rate rather than putting on too much seed. Anything over 100#/ac is not good

Like someone else mentioned it’s a good idea to measure your fields. Lots of apps available. For years I planted and fertilized several 2-3 ac fields thinking they were 5 acs.



not sure how you figure over 100lbs an acre isn't good. you're not farming, you're trying to feed animals. the more plants you have, the more browsing you can support. I do atleast 100lbs an acre of grains
( broadcasting) and then add the clover, turnips etc...


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Re: seed rates [Re: Bugmaster] #2591852
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At 200 lbs/ac you will have lots of grain but will not have any room for the slower growing clover. Thats why I have backed off to about 80 lbs grain.

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Proper seed population for small grain is 50#/ac. Applying 4xs that rate is wasting $ and results in an over-populated stand. Too much grass in a field is same principle as too many trees. Your less aggressive clovers can be shaded and will not compete well with grasses. Each plant needs room to grow. More is not better

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Originally Posted by Bugmaster
What percentages do you mix for wheat, clover, rape, and peas?



http://wildlifeseeds.com/info/usazonemap.html this is a good picture if someone will post it here.


https://www.qdma.com/successful-food-plot-seeding-rates/


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The main reason I plant heavy with grain is the dang turkeys will eat it up just as it sprouts. I guess I need to get one of ya'll to show me how to make a sufficient turkey trot line. rofl

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Ideally 40-50# of cereal grains is what you would want to plant if you’re going to mix in clovers, brassicas, peas, etc. because that stocking rate gives the other components ample room to grow. However, that’s not always the best stocking rate in my opinion for every situation. Cereal gains are your #1 component of the mix that will be continually browsed on for months. It’s more important to me than the others if I have to choose.

Stocking rates of grains need to be matched to browsing pressure. Small plots are gonna receive high browsing pressure….also areas with high deer populations will have higher browsing pressure. The size of the plots combined with density of the deer need to determine your stocking rate of cereal grains. Normal planting rates of pure cereal grains for “grazing” go up to 150 lbs/ac. If I were planting small <1 acre plots that get hit hard then I’d plant it heavy with grains. If I were drilling in 10-20 acre plots then I’d plant it at a low rate mixed with the other components. I wouldn’t write the same prescription for both situations…

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Also I’m planting for all wildlife including turkey and quail. The birds prefer a thinner stand so that they have bare dirt under the grass canopy

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Originally Posted by CNC
Ideally 40-50# of cereal grains is what you would want to plant if you’re going to mix in clovers, brassicas, peas, etc. because that stocking rate gives the other components ample room to grow. However, that’s not always the best stocking rate in my opinion for every situation. Cereal gains are your #1 component of the mix that will be continually browsed on for months. It’s more important to me than the others if I have to choose.

Stocking rates of grains need to be matched to browsing pressure. Small plots are gonna receive high browsing pressure….also areas with high deer populations will have higher browsing pressure. The size of the plots combined with density of the deer need to determine your stocking rate of cereal grains. Normal planting rates of pure cereal grains for “grazing” go up to 150 lbs/ac. If I were planting small <1 acre plots that get hit hard then I’d plant it heavy with grains. If I were drilling in 10-20 acre plots then I’d plant it at a low rate mixed with the other components. I wouldn’t write the same prescription for both situations…


Good post. I agree.


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A lot of food plot play out and turn yellow late in the year because they are planted to thick. I am using about 60-70lbs of the co-op 6way mix and I have checked all of my fields so I know how big they are. They seem to do great at this rate.

http://acme.com/planimeter/

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Originally Posted by Squadron77
A lot of food plot play out and turn yellow late in the year because they are planted to thick. I am using about 60-70lbs of the co-op 6way mix and I have checked all of my fields so I know how big they are. They seem to do great at this rate.

http://acme.com/planimeter/



Is that an app? I had one fellow tell me about an app that he used to calculate square footage or acreage. Just ride around the perimeter of a spot and it would give you the square footage. Anyone know of that app? I now have a smart phone so things like this are helpful.


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Not an app, but I use this. Seems to be pretty accurate.

https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-area-calculator-tool.htm

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Small grains tiller from main stem. Therefore anything over X amount of pounds for plots isn't necessary. I mean we plant 150# wheat per acre for high production row cropping. I'd not even plant half that for wildlife plots.


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