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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Dw0229]
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09/11/18 09:42 AM
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We have a lot of issues. This scenario and these numbers is like opening the door and letting you peek inside.
To report a deer you first have to buy a license. I would estimate probably 1/3 maybe closer to 1/2 the people hunting private property don't even have one.
The biggest problem we have is an attitude problem that cannot be overcome based on our level of enforcement. We need more Game Wardens writing a lot more tickets.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Goatkiller]
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09/11/18 09:43 AM
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I would estimate probably 1/3 maybe closer to 1/2 the people hunting private property don't even have one. Nor should they, if they own the land, or are first degree relatives. They are still supposed to get a HELP number and report kills though.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Dw0229]
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09/11/18 09:45 AM
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I think everyone should purchase a license. They benefit from the system they don't support as far as research and enforement (call Game Warden on Poacher, etc.). The deer don't belong to them they belong to the State as well. They are a public resource.
I don't want to derail this thread so let's stop there.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Dw0229]
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09/11/18 11:01 AM
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Just a hunch, I'm betting it's a combination of a few things...
1. The 17/18 numbers were over-inflated 2. 18/19 kills were down, *combined with* 3. Lot of folks didn't report, and 4. the DCNR, in general, couldn't find their azz with both hands and a map
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Goatkiller]
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09/11/18 11:23 AM
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I think everyone should purchase a license. They benefit from the system they don't support as far as research and enforement (call Game Warden on Poacher, etc.). The deer don't belong to them they belong to the State as well. They are a public resource.
I don't want to derail this thread so let's stop there. That’s probably because, like myself and many others you don’t own hunting land and won’t incur any additional cost. Just more decisive politicking. Pitting the perceived have nots against the perceived haves. Any animal entering or existing on what land I do own does so by the grace of my blessings regardless of any rules. I expect no less for those owning more.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Remington270]
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09/11/18 12:39 PM
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It's puzzling. Do other states make such claims about low hunter participation? I honestly don't know. No but the ones I am familiar with have not done/designed a survey that would give them a true picture of participation/compliance numbers.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
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09/11/18 12:41 PM
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Just a hunch, I'm betting it's a combination of a few things...
4. the DCNR, in general, couldn't find their azz with both hands and a map Ignorant comment
Last edited by NightHunter; 09/11/18 12:42 PM.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Goatkiller]
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09/11/18 02:49 PM
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I think everyone should purchase a license. They benefit from the system they don't support as far as research and enforement (call Game Warden on Poacher, etc.). Now you're just making stuff up as you type!!
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Dw0229]
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09/11/18 03:55 PM
09/11/18 03:55 PM
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That's the big question. Why such discrepancies in the numbers. Im not buying into those giant harvest estimates that were prior to the phone in requirement. That's roughly a 225,000 deer harvest difference. Even with lots of hunters not phoning in, we have an issue. "Game Check is a tool that will allow improved management of Alabama’s deer and turkey populations. Over time, this valuable information can be used by WFF biologists to see harvest trends and set seasons and bag limits. ". That's from a DCNR website. Coming up on year 3 and I see no reason why the GC #s will change. Now what?? How much time before these numbers are used to set limits and seasons?? We can't drop.the limit much more if any on 3 bucks. That would result in less people hunting, leasing land, joining clubs, out of state hunters coming in, decreased processor business, and ultimately hurting DCNR. Season changes, well we already extended that. As I said, now what?
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: CatHeadBiscuit]
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09/11/18 04:03 PM
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I think everyone should purchase a license. They benefit from the system they don't support as far as research and enforement (call Game Warden on Poacher, etc.). The deer don't belong to them they belong to the State as well. They are a public resource.
I don't want to derail this thread so let's stop there. That’s probably because, like myself and many others you don’t own hunting land and won’t incur any additional cost. Just more decisive politicking. Pitting the perceived have nots against the perceived haves. Any animal entering or existing on what land I do own does so by the grace of my blessings regardless of any rules. I expect no less for those owning more. I have a my own place but I also have a lifetime license. Ok - I misspoke... technically you don't have to have a license to get a number to report your deer but to me they coincide. The guy that hunts private land doesn't have a license and doesn't have the number either. That's my experience. They just disregard the rules. The attitude is I don't need a license and I don't need to report my dead deer getting the number and reporting is a hassle. I don't need the number unless I kill something. You're experience might be different but that's my experience. Is there a rule that you have to have the number if you just go hunting? Seems like a huge opportunity to write some tickets. Most of the people I talk to in this category don't have the number.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: centralala]
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09/11/18 04:20 PM
09/11/18 04:20 PM
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That's the big question. Why such discrepancies in the numbers. Im not buying into those giant harvest estimates that were prior to the phone in requirement. That's roughly a 225,000 deer harvest difference. Even with lots of hunters not phoning in, we have an issue. "Game Check is a tool that will allow improved management of Alabama’s deer and turkey populations. Over time, this valuable information can be used by WFF biologists to see harvest trends and set seasons and bag limits. ". That's from a DCNR website. Coming up on year 3 and I see no reason why the GC #s will change. Now what?? How much time before these numbers are used to set limits and seasons?? We can't drop.the limit much more if any on 3 bucks. That would result in less people hunting, leasing land, joining clubs, out of state hunters coming in, decreased processor business, and ultimately hurting DCNR. Season changes, well we already extended that. As I said, now what? tags and then check in stations
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Frankie]
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09/11/18 04:29 PM
09/11/18 04:29 PM
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That's the big question. Why such discrepancies in the numbers. Im not buying into those giant harvest estimates that were prior to the phone in requirement. That's roughly a 225,000 deer harvest difference. Even with lots of hunters not phoning in, we have an issue. "Game Check is a tool that will allow improved management of Alabama’s deer and turkey populations. Over time, this valuable information can be used by WFF biologists to see harvest trends and set seasons and bag limits. ". That's from a DCNR website. Coming up on year 3 and I see no reason why the GC #s will change. Now what?? How much time before these numbers are used to set limits and seasons?? We can't drop.the limit much more if any on 3 bucks. That would result in less people hunting, leasing land, joining clubs, out of state hunters coming in, decreased processor business, and ultimately hurting DCNR. Season changes, well we already extended that. As I said, now what? tags and then check in stations Tags? Maybe. I could see that happening. I really have no opinion on them. Check stations? That would get less participation than GC.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Goatkiller]
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09/11/18 05:36 PM
09/11/18 05:36 PM
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Remington270
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Is there a rule that you have to have the number if you just go hunting? Seems like a huge opportunity to write some tickets. Most of the people I talk to in this category don't have the number.
I think you have to prove what they're hunting for. Are they coyote hunting with a .270? I've certainly done that before.
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Re: Deer harvest numbers question
[Re: Standbanger]
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09/11/18 07:55 PM
09/11/18 07:55 PM
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Remington270
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At some point the lack of participation excuse will not fly. I agree. I just can’t understand what more or less “kill” numbers will mean- higher participation? Higher kills?
Last edited by Remington270; 09/11/18 08:02 PM.
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