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Re: DUI question
[Re: ford150man]
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08/01/18 11:33 AM
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The way the law is written you are in control of the vehicle if in possession of the keys, as the OP stated.
Don't like that, get the law changed.
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Re: DUI question
[Re: ford150man]
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08/01/18 11:34 AM
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Ofcourse, the police could have offered the option of calling a cab since he wasnt driving or being a threat to any body. Lawyer ball, I know.
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Re: DUI question
[Re: ford150man]
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08/01/18 11:36 AM
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He should have just locked his keys in his car.
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Re: DUI question
[Re: ford150man]
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08/01/18 11:37 AM
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Yep keys are inside the car. I know of it happening to people more than once. Two of them got off. The other one didn't. I know two guys that hide the keys out under the hood. One of those got charged with public intoxication. The other one had called his brother to come get him and LEO left him alone. I'm with you that you shouldn't be charged with DUI unless you are at least behind the wheel of a running car. It's just like the guy I know that was charged with hunting at night walking to his stand at night with a flashlight and a loaded rifle (not in Alabama). He was found not guilty but cost him a good bit of time and legal fees. It's been discussed on here before. You can be charged with DUI for driving drunk on your own property. I know another guy that was charged with DUI while riding a horse. He was on a gravel dead end road. He lived almost at the end of it. LEO was at the end of road with lights off, Sees guy coming down road and investigates. Guy was nearly passed out sitting up in the saddle. Had been down the road drinking around the fire with his neighbor. Yea he was trashed. Horse knew the way home and it would have been fine if LEO hadn't spotted him. Guy got out of that one after guys lawyer had some dirt on what LEO was actually doing down at the end of the road.
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:39 AM
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Ofcourse, the police could have offered the option of calling a cab since he wasnt driving or being a threat to any body. Definitely. It may be a case of "revenue enhancement." Or it might be that these officers have been given a zero tolerance mandate about this situation. If the guy arrested were to fight it, I'd be trying to find out if some folks in the same situation got arrested and some got to ride home in a cab or Uber or something because of who they were.
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:39 AM
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I didn't know DUI laws applied to private property. So if I pass out in my truck in my yard with the keys I can be charged?
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:40 AM
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I guess where my mind goes, if he is drunk in his own house, with the truck in the driveway, he still has access to the keys and would technically be in control of the car. So, under those guidelines he could be arrested. I just hate it for him because he even told the officer he had an alcohol problem, that he had been working on, and just fallen off the wagon but knew he shouldn’t drive in his condition, so he didn’t.
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:41 AM
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Your yard or a somebody else's property. Big difference. The Bar parking lot aint your property.
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:42 AM
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I know the police have the right to write him a ticket, the way the law reads, but I really can't wrap my head around being ticketed for something I MIGHT do. I know.....this is like the thought police from 1984
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:43 AM
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Police are here to protect the public and enforce the law. They follow the law, they're asshats. They don't follow the law, they're asshats. They can't win.
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:44 AM
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You ain't in " physical control" asleep in the back seat. I'm on private property in your friends situation I'd go to the supreme court fightin' it. Actually, he would be in complete physical control of the vehicle if he was in the car with the keys in possession. I'm assuming they do this, because if your judgement is bad enough that you're passed out drunk in the car, then you're judgement is probably bad enough that you'll think "I'm ok to drive now". Asleep in the backseat but Keys being in arms reach equaling control over the vehicle. I don't see that. I think the definition of "actual physical control" has been stretched mighty thin. Legally, those three words have great meaning. I know there have been many cases on this and there is differing opinion in different jurisdictions on what meets actual physical control. Passed out in drivers seat with keys in ignition--means the drunk person could easily operate the vehicle, cranked or not. But in the backseat in this case...there has to be some case law on what merits actual physical control vs. just being in proximity. I don't know...just commenting from little personal knowledge and common sense..
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Re: DUI question
[Re: coldtrail]
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08/01/18 11:44 AM
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I didn't know DUI laws applied to private property. So if I pass out in my truck in my yard with the keys I can be charged? Yes....you can get a dui for driving around on your own private property.
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Re: DUI question
[Re: ford150man]
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08/01/18 11:50 AM
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Daughter got a DUI in Birmingham for something similar. She was listening to the radio in her car in front of her apartment. Same deal. Police pulled up and arrested her. Lawyer got it dismissed.
I understand arresting drunk drivers. They should. However, I also feel like you should be driving. It's kinda in the title: Driving Under the Influence not Sitting in the Car Under the Influence.
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:51 AM
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I know the police have the right to write him a ticket, the way the law reads, but I really can't wrap my head around being ticketed for something I MIGHT do. I know.....this is like the thought police from 1984No dummy, it aint some SCI-FI goofy sh1t. Every asshat since 1830 knows that if you half-pass-out at a bar and you have to half-way get your butt home on the road that you aint exactly right and may be a danger to the overall community. Its fair to ticket him. But to make him pay or talk about publicly about his drinking problem well that is something for the courts to decide.
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Re: DUI question
[Re: Thelonegoose]
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08/01/18 11:58 AM
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This has been a law for a while. I have been told be several LEOs that if it happens to take the keys and toss them somewhere or throw them in the bed of the truck. If they are in the cab of the truck anywhere they could still be considered "in reach". I'd rather pay a little for a locksmith over a set of keys than thousands for a DUI. This was what I was told, do not have the keys inside the vehicle if you want to sleep it off. I don't drink and drive, but we were comparing Texas to Alabama laws. Conceal carry and DUI was the topic.
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Re: DUI question
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08/01/18 11:59 AM
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I didn't know DUI laws applied to private property. So if I pass out in my truck in my yard with the keys I can be charged? Yes....you can get a dui for driving around on your own private property. So this sets the precedence of what ford said above...guy is intoxicated at home, keys in pocket and truck parked in driveway. Under those guidelines, errone here that gets hammered while watching a football game at the house could be charged with dui? Follow the money boys, follow the money. Sure the guy could prob beat the charge...but like said, it's gonna cost him $10k. Lawyers and court costs.
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