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Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: 2Dogs] #2460385
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So many great men and infamous to choose from. Got an old blackpowder book that has a pic of Sergeant York. Wow in real life he looked nothing like Gary Cooper. He had to be a giant for the times he looks about 6'6"and 270. He is wearing just overhauls in the photo as he had just won a black powder shoot and his brothers were 2nd-4th.

Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: jallencrockett] #2460408
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Originally Posted by jallencrockett
So many great men and infamous to choose from. Got an old blackpowder book that has a pic of Sergeant York. Wow in real life he looked nothing like Gary Cooper. He had to be a giant for the times he looks about 6'6"and 270. He is wearing just overhauls in the photo as he had just won a black powder shoot and his brothers were 2nd-4th.


His son had been around a lot of people when he was young who knew Alvin when he was young. He told me Alvin really was the best shot in the area and meaner and tougher than the movie actually depicts , before he got religion of course. He was a tall , redheaded , raw bone country boy and one tough SOB. After he got famous he could have been a star in film or stage, elected to about any office , but he shunned the lime light and $. All he wanted to do is go home and help the people of his home area. He built a boarding school to teach agriculture and got electricity to the area when many small towns and more populated areas didn't have it. That's what he wanted to be remembered for. Interesting man for sure. I have a copy of his diary/journal of his time in WWI, very interesting reading.

Foot note, York's grandpa was one of the first white settlers in the area, I think he was a blacksmith. He was good friends with a feller named Dan'l Boone.

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Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: 2Dogs] #2460410
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"the F-Grade A.H. Fox 12 gauge Theodore Roosevelt took on his famous 1909 African safari was for up for auction. On October 5, the James D. Julia auction house sold TR's gun for $862,500 (including buyer's premium) making it the most expensive American shotgun ever sold at auction by a good $600,000 or so."

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Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: 2Dogs] #2460481
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The story I heard about Earp's Buntline was that he lost if in Alaska when he was a dog sled mail carrier. I once say an interesting "gun" that purported to be the wooden gun that John Dillinger used to break out of jail with, but have no idea if it was real or not. I have heard that Jessie James mother made a living selling revolvers that she claimed were Jessie's. She would buy up old guns and then make someone a "special deal" on them because they were James gag guns.. If I am not mistaken James used a model 3 S&W in 44 American.
I will say this though, Famous Guns are great- but the ones I am most interested in are the ones used by every day men or women with the wear and tear that a tool, which is what these guns were, gets from being carried and used.

Shotguns rifles and handguns were everyday items back when. I like to think of the history they have seen, The food they put on the table, The times when they were used to defend the homestead, or nail up a loose wire in the fence, these are the tools that caused our great Country to grow and become what we are today. Each one has a story, some good some bad, but the history of America was forged with the hands and tools of our forefathers. It is heritage to be proud of and to pass down to our children. The story of men who picked up the miskey and went to war. The men who ran cattle from Texas up the trail to feed a growing country. The men who went into the wilderness, not knowing what was there, when they would be home, with only their rifle to provide food, and. protection. The men who dropped everything and went to war because their country called. The real heroes of the past, everyday working joes who never though they were special. Those are the guns I treasure.


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Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: judge sharpe] #2460500
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Correct Judge, they were tools to many who used them. Boone was said to have had several , some lost to Indians. He viewed them as tools. I don't think there has been a gun confirmed to be one Boone actually used .



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Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: judge sharpe] #2460624
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Originally Posted by judge sharpe
The story I heard about Earp's Buntline was that he lost if in Alaska when he was a dog sled mail carrier. I once say an interesting "gun" that purported to be the wooden gun that John Dillinger used to break out of jail with, but have no idea if it was real or not. I have heard that Jessie James mother made a living selling revolvers that she claimed were Jessie's. She would buy up old guns and then make someone a "special deal" on them because they were James gag guns.. If I am not mistaken James used a model 3 S&W in 44 American.
I will say this though, Famous Guns are great- but the ones I am most interested in are the ones used by every day men or women with the wear and tear that a tool, which is what these guns were, gets from being carried and used.

Shotguns rifles and handguns were everyday items back when. I like to think of the history they have seen, The food they put on the table, The times when they were used to defend the homestead, or nail up a loose wire in the fence, these are the tools that caused our great Country to grow and become what we are today. Each one has a story, some good some bad, but the history of America was forged with the hands and tools of our forefathers. It is heritage to be proud of and to pass down to our children. The story of men who picked up the miskey and went to war. The men who ran cattle from Texas up the trail to feed a growing country. The men who went into the wilderness, not knowing what was there, when they would be home, with only their rifle to provide food, and. protection. The men who dropped everything and went to war because their country called. The real heroes of the past, everyday working joes who never though they were special. Those are the guns I treasure.


Well said, Judge.


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Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: 2Dogs] #2460785
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
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Wyatt earp


His Buntline Special with 16" barrel would bring a huge price alright. Only 11 made I believe , he was given one as a gift. The non-famous ones go for 1/2 million plus!



There is all sorts of conflicting info on that gun. What I have read most often is that Earp made up the story about the Buntline guns and they never existed. They claimed that Colt had no record of them, and they kept good records. But the story made it into a book, and then on to the Wyatt Earp tv show. Do you have a link that shows Earp actually owned one?

Fake news is very common regarding Western history and I never know what to believe.


Saw it on the Show Strange inheritance . A woman's father was one of the foremost private Colt collectors. At his death his collection was supposed to be worth about 2 million. He had the last Buntline with 16" barrel made. Some said it wasn't right. Collector's daughter hired the foremost Colt expert alive to authenticate it . It had the skeleton stock with flip up sights. The only one with flip up sights. The expert said he was 150% sure it was legit. He had a lot of info on them already and knew Colt actually built 11 and Earp was given one as a gift by a writer. He went to Colt and dug in the archives and actually found a photo of the one the lady inherited . She turned down 1/2 million for it. Her dad gave $38,500 for it and searched for a correct one for 10 years . He also said they are the most faked Colt out there and so rare and come up for sale very, very rarely that folks always automatically say it's a fake. Story seemed legit to me.

My post may have been a little confusing. The one on the TV show WAS NOT claimed to be Earps , just a legit Buntline. Expert just had some sort of info and stated Earp at one time had one.



Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. I knew the one in the tv show wasn't his, I had just read there was no evidence he ever owned one.


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Re: Famous gun value ? [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2460838
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The Buntlines given to Earp, Masterson and Co. were supposed to have been 10" models. Story is some didn't like the long barrels and had them cut down to "standard" length.



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The story is that Ned Buntline, a newspaper writer and dime novelist wrote several stories about Earp and other notable western figures, He is said to have special ordered the Buntline Specials and awarded them to the hero's he wrote about. I do not know if he ordered them from Colt, or had them modified by a third party gunsmith. Colt did have a revolving carbine with a folding or removable stock and a short barrel but whether this is what was made into the Special I do not know. I think that he gave Buntline Specials to some others who's names I do not know. I have heard that at least one thought it was an awkward hand gun and had the barrel cut down to the standard 7".
The dime novels of the day were like the comic books of the time and often had made up stories of about famous men of the time. A lot of the stories have moved into legend now and people believe they actually happened.
Another dime novelist was "Bat" Masterson who moved west from New York where he worked as a sports writer and boxing promoter. he developed a reputation of being a gun hand, but there is real doubt as to that.
The stories, true or exaggerated have become a part of the thread of the American fabric and helped shape a generation of Americans ready to do what they thought was right.
Once good guys wore white hats, kept their word and respected women and their country. The provided a role model for boys. Look up the rules of the Gene Autry Club sometime and see what we swore to do when we joined.
Who are the heroes of today boys? Once Disney had Davy Crockett and Dan Boon, Mike Fink and the defenders of the Alamo. Now you can not name a role model for male children. It's all princesses. Even Prince Charming has passed into oblivion.


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