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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Out back] #2286089
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Fine looking equipment
You can tell by the pic does good work!!


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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: hawgwild] #2286103
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Originally Posted By: hawgwild
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: pcamper

Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: Out back
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such?

A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have.




So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here.

I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet.




Several things your not factoring, As outback said, a dozier “piles” debris and spoil. If you dont want very large piles of debris, you have to pay a dump truck to haul it off, not cheap” burning is not an option because your top soil is rolled into the debris pile. Also, the maintenance on these machines are very high, the cutter teeth cost around 3k. This is a wear item you have to figure into the price. A dozier doesnt have this kind of wear item. There are cases where a dozier is a better option but if your goal it to 1) remove vegetation 2) not to disturb top soil 3) eliminate erosion 4) not have any debris pile to deal with, A forrestry mulcher is the best option.

I have a job we are working on where the and owner called us to come mulch the back half of his land after he had dozier come in to clear his land. He didnt like the damage the dozier was doing and the large dirt and debris piles. We are going there either tomorrow or Friday, Ill take pics of the area the dozier did and the piles he left and the area we are doing, it will make a lot more sense after you see the pics.


I know what both are capable of. Your upkeep $ is more the answer I'm looking for . How long does a set of teeth last? How does it handle rocks?
Teeth life depends on type of teeth, carbides or knives, and how much dirt and rock the operator has to deal with. Where I'm at on Sand Mtn, 6-700 hrs on carbides is about the max. 2500-3000 per set


At $3000 a set and 600hrs run time that would be a cost of $5 per hour.



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Always vote the slowest path to socialism.







Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Out back] #2286118
11/08/17 04:21 PM
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Not counting the 10 hours of manual labor to change them out.


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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: 2Dogs] #2286121
11/08/17 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: hawgwild
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: pcamper

Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: Out back
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such?

A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have.




So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here.

I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet.




Several things your not factoring, As outback said, a dozier “piles” debris and spoil. If you dont want very large piles of debris, you have to pay a dump truck to haul it off, not cheap” burning is not an option because your top soil is rolled into the debris pile. Also, the maintenance on these machines are very high, the cutter teeth cost around 3k. This is a wear item you have to figure into the price. A dozier doesnt have this kind of wear item. There are cases where a dozier is a better option but if your goal it to 1) remove vegetation 2) not to disturb top soil 3) eliminate erosion 4) not have any debris pile to deal with, A forrestry mulcher is the best option.

I have a job we are working on where the and owner called us to come mulch the back half of his land after he had dozier come in to clear his land. He didnt like the damage the dozier was doing and the large dirt and debris piles. We are going there either tomorrow or Friday, Ill take pics of the area the dozier did and the piles he left and the area we are doing, it will make a lot more sense after you see the pics.


I know what both are capable of. Your upkeep $ is more the answer I'm looking for . How long does a set of teeth last? How does it handle rocks?
Teeth life depends on type of teeth, carbides or knives, and how much dirt and rock the operator has to deal with. Where I'm at on Sand Mtn, 6-700 hrs on carbides is about the max. 2500-3000 per set


At $3000 a set and 600hrs run time that would be a cost of $5 per hour.
Yeah, that's correct

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: 2Dogs] #2286216
11/08/17 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: hawgwild
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: pcamper

Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: Out back
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such?

A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have.




So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here.

I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet.




Several things your not factoring, As outback said, a dozier “piles” debris and spoil. If you dont want very large piles of debris, you have to pay a dump truck to haul it off, not cheap” burning is not an option because your top soil is rolled into the debris pile. Also, the maintenance on these machines are very high, the cutter teeth cost around 3k. This is a wear item you have to figure into the price. A dozier doesnt have this kind of wear item. There are cases where a dozier is a better option but if your goal it to 1) remove vegetation 2) not to disturb top soil 3) eliminate erosion 4) not have any debris pile to deal with, A forrestry mulcher is the best option.

I have a job we are working on where the and owner called us to come mulch the back half of his land after he had dozier come in to clear his land. He didnt like the damage the dozier was doing and the large dirt and debris piles. We are going there either tomorrow or Friday, Ill take pics of the area the dozier did and the piles he left and the area we are doing, it will make a lot more sense after you see the pics.


I know what both are capable of. Your upkeep $ is more the answer I'm looking for . How long does a set of teeth last? How does it handle rocks?
Teeth life depends on type of teeth, carbides or knives, and how much dirt and rock the operator has to deal with. Where I'm at on Sand Mtn, 6-700 hrs on carbides is about the max. 2500-3000 per set


At $3000 a set and 600hrs run time that would be a cost of $5 per hour.



Did a mulcher beat you up when you were a kid or something? Geese, get you a dozier and go to town!! thumbup


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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: pcamper] #2286233
11/08/17 05:11 PM
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Got one. Thinking bout a mulcher.



"Why do you ask"?

Always vote the slowest path to socialism.







Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: 2Dogs] #2286239
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Got one. Thinking bout a mulcher.
Got one I'll sell you

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Out back] #2286251
11/08/17 05:16 PM
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Good looking machine, how you like that head. Running same machine with one of the their extreme disc mulchers now, thinking about adding another with a drum style, looking at the CIMAF head as well.

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: hawgwild] #2286261
11/08/17 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: hawgwild
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Got one. Thinking bout a mulcher.
Got one I'll sell you


Hmmm



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Always vote the slowest path to socialism.







Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Out back] #2286262
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Cimaf is top of the line if you don't mind sharpening knives. Definitely the most productive and best finishing head on the market.

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: hawgwild] #2286268
11/08/17 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: hawgwild
Cimaf is top of the line if you don't mind sharpening knives. Definitely the most productive and best finishing head on the market.



You are right, if you have one to sell, send me a PM , I’m interested


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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: pcamper] #2286271
11/08/17 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: pcamper
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: hawgwild
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: pcamper

Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: Out back
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such?

A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have.




So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here.

I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet.




Several things your not factoring, As outback said, a dozier “piles” debris and spoil. If you dont want very large piles of debris, you have to pay a dump truck to haul it off, not cheap” burning is not an option because your top soil is rolled into the debris pile. Also, the maintenance on these machines are very high, the cutter teeth cost around 3k. This is a wear item you have to figure into the price. A dozier doesnt have this kind of wear item. There are cases where a dozier is a better option but if your goal it to 1) remove vegetation 2) not to disturb top soil 3) eliminate erosion 4) not have any debris pile to deal with, A forrestry mulcher is the best option.

I have a job we are working on where the and owner called us to come mulch the back half of his land after he had dozier come in to clear his land. He didnt like the damage the dozier was doing and the large dirt and debris piles. We are going there either tomorrow or Friday, Ill take pics of the area the dozier did and the piles he left and the area we are doing, it will make a lot more sense after you see the pics.


I know what both are capable of. Your upkeep $ is more the answer I'm looking for . How long does a set of teeth last? How does it handle rocks?
Teeth life depends on type of teeth, carbides or knives, and how much dirt and rock the operator has to deal with. Where I'm at on Sand Mtn, 6-700 hrs on carbides is about the max. 2500-3000 per set


At $3000 a set and 600hrs run time that would be a cost of $5 per hour.



Did a mulcher beat you up when you were a kid or something? Geese, get you a dozier and go to town!! thumbup

Haha! Ol Dogs is as persistant as ol throw n mow, or anti throw n mow.
It’s just different things that can accomplish and have somewhat similar outcomes. Like has already been stated, you don’t have to worry about losing topsoil or having the soil exposed to wash away going this route. Or have to move dirt around to fill the car sized holes from root balls. Would a dozer have done a similar job if you had a good operator? Sure. Is it less expensive to operate a dozer? Sure. To each his own. If Outback would’ve wanted to build a house there and have a driveway cut in, a dozer would have been the only way to go. Since it appears to be a food plot he’s creating, I would’ve went the same route or rented a brush cutter. The only thing I see wrong that Outback or Pcamper didn’t do is throw his seed out before he mowed all that down!! rofl


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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: 2Dogs] #2286272
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Got one. Thinking bout a mulcher.



Knew I’d convince you! laugh


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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Out back] #2286296
11/08/17 05:35 PM
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Finishing is what it would be mainly used for, run it behind the dics mulcher when in bigger woods. The disc is fast and does a good job finishing but not like I the drums will on mulching in the bigger stuff, both have their place I guess. same as the dozers. I run them too, do a lot of raking, fire lanes, and burning using them.

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: pcamper] #2286301
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Originally Posted By: pcamper

Originally Posted By: hawgwild
Cimaf is top of the line if you don't mind sharpening knives. Definitely the most productive and best finishing head on the market.



You are right, if you have one to sell, send me a PM , I’m interested
I'm in the market for one myself

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: mark] #2286310
11/08/17 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: mark
Originally Posted By: extreme heights hunter
I'm gonna ask Santa for one.


I'd love to have one but just don't see that there is enough work for one in my area.



I'm assuming the Baldwin County in your bio is old info? We sell several a year in Baldwin County, AL. All Kubota SVL 95-2's like pcamper has but we have been selling Paladin Ground Shark Extreme rotary style heads mostly. They don't do as good a job at mulching the debris into tiny pieces but they're 1/2 to 1/3 the cost and have 4 bush hog style blades versus the carbide teeth on a drum head (lower maintenance costs). We sell both kinds though.

Skid Steer (Compact Track Loader to be specific) machines can be moved with a ton truck and a good trailer (pictured Kubota machine alone is about 12k and head maybe 2500 lbs). Some of the skidder based machines may weigh twice that or more and require a semi truck to move with a lowboy trailer. Different machines for different jobs. If you've got 2-10 acres needing cleared the big machines will usually have an hour minimum and trip charge making that job expensive.

What kills me are all the latter day Frontiersman people we get. They've bought 2-40 acres in Baldwin county and it's so thick Tarzan could swing through it. They will (or want to) buy a little 30-40 hp compact tractor and loader (weighing 3200 lbs plus loader) and a cheap box blade and bush hog and now they think they're going to "clean up" their place.

They will absolutely DESTROY a $20k tractor over a year or two doing a job they could have hired done for $3500-4000 and had done in a week. But if you ask, they'll tell you they are SAVING money. Blows my mind.

Had one today. Guy has a 23 hp SUB compact tractor with a little 4' light duty bush hog (only kind they make in 4' size to my knowledge). He was HIRED any a contractor to clear a 2 acre property. Grown up in head high crap. Wants to know how big a stuff his cutter will take. 1" maximum is my reply.

I suggested Roundup all of it, then burn, to reduce the volume of material.

"How long will Roundup take?" (He has a lawn maintenance company and doesn't know this?)

"Can't burn, its right in town". OK, hire a dozer or mulcher I reply.

"Contractor hired ME to do it, don't think he'd pay $2500". Well, contractor is a dumbass I think to myself, for hiring someone with an overgrown lawnmower who doesn't know what to do.

"Do they make a cutter and tractor I could buy to do the job?" He asks.

"Sure, a Brown Tree cutter and maybe an 80-90 hp tractor to turn it, $7-8k for cutter and $35-40k for tractor" I tell him.

"Well, that's cheaper than buying a CTL and mulching head". I tell him good luck and hang up the phone.

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Out back] #2286324
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You can tell some one all day long what they need but you can't tell them what they want. I run into folks like that all the time. They do it their way and then call me back wanting me to come straighten the mess out, then want a discount from the original price because they have been "working" on it and some of the work in the job scope is half way done.

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Out back] #2286329
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Skinnerton if your initials are D B I've got your price on the new head and machine. Ed get your ramps to you? He had a trip to Monroeville today.

Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: 2Dogs] #2286346
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Got one. Thinking bout a mulcher.
dogs if you get one I would love to cut down one tree with it. laugh


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Re: Forestry mulcher [Re: Robert D.] #2286361
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Originally Posted By: Robert D.
Skinnerton if your initials are D B I've got your price on the new head and machine. Ed get your ramps to you? He had a trip to Monroeville today.


Good! I know he hadn't gotten the price Monday when I asked, he didn't say anything about the ramps but I haven't talked to him today. I know he needs some though, the other ones scared the hell outa him, lol. D.B is the mulcher man, I do the dozers, spraying, burning, tree planting and that short of stuff. I was doing skidsteer work but was renting, I really enjoyed it but it was to much of a hassle, I just get him to come with me on jobs and do all the skidsteer work. Bout ready for him to get that second machine though, looking forward to getting getting back in one on a regular basis.

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