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Re: Forestry mulcher
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I would venture to say closer to $90-120k It depends on your setup, but you are pretty much spot on... Which one? A new set up like we have would run a little over $100k. The Kubota SVL-95 is around $75k alone, Depending on the brand of mulcher, they start at about $28k and go to about $32k. This doesnt account a tow vehicle and trailer, A good tow trailer like a 20ton big Tex is around $10k, a decent tow vehicle can spend whatever you want. These units are very expensive to operate, the teeth on these machines run about $2,500-3,000. This is why they cost so much per hour. We charge $125 per hour with a 4 hour minimum , that is the cheapest Ive seen for Forestry Mulching. Ive seen it as high as $200 per hour for set ups like ours. Ive also seen people charge a “delivery fee” and 8 hour minimum. $125 an hr, why sell yourself short? My thinking also. Too high and you can cut yourself off from customers, too low and you're not maximizing. Upper middle of the road is what seems like would be the sweet spot.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: Out back]
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11/08/17 01:52 PM
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I wondered when the resident financial experts would chine in.
Tell us, Grasshopper, when do you plan on buying your $100k machine?
BTW, when Jon finished yesterday I paid him in cash. I guess you'd probably advise using a cash back credit card with free airline miles, but I didn't see Jon toting around a Square CC processor anyway.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 02:13 PM
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I'm gonna ask Santa for one. I'd love to have one but just don't see that there is enough work for one in my area.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: hawgwild]
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11/08/17 02:14 PM
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I would venture to say closer to $90-120k It depends on your setup, but you are pretty much spot on... Which one? A new set up like we have would run a little over $100k. The Kubota SVL-95 is around $75k alone, Depending on the brand of mulcher, they start at about $28k and go to about $32k. This doesnt account a tow vehicle and trailer, A good tow trailer like a 20ton big Tex is around $10k, a decent tow vehicle can spend whatever you want. These units are very expensive to operate, the teeth on these machines run about $2,500-3,000. This is why they cost so much per hour. We charge $125 per hour with a 4 hour minimum , that is the cheapest Ive seen for Forestry Mulching. Ive seen it as high as $200 per hour for set ups like ours. Ive also seen people charge a “delivery fee” and 8 hour minimum. $125 an hr, why sell yourself short? When we bought this mulcher head we started doing work lower than anybody else to get going. Once we got going, people just seemed to appreciate a lower price so we just stuck with it. Kinda sounds corny but I enjoy meeting and talking with people, doing a good job at a good price. So far, that route has worked out good for us.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: hawgwild]
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11/08/17 02:30 PM
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[/quote]$125 an hr, why sell yourself short? [/quote]
Some people have learned it's better to sell a lot of an item at a fair price than sell very few at an inflated price.
Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: Out back]
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11/08/17 02:38 PM
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Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such?
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 02:39 PM
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$125 an hr, why sell yourself short? [/quote] Some people have learned it's better to sell a lot of an item at a fair price than sell very few at an inflated price. [/quote] Make a little money a lot of places.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: Out back]
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11/08/17 02:40 PM
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It's not premium price to a dozer or trackhoe plus it doesn't destroy the landscape like heavy earth movers
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Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 02:44 PM
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It's not premium price to a dozer or trackhoe plus it doesn't destroy the landscape like heavy earth movers Well it is when you look at a dozer that costs 200K is $ 100-125 per hour and a mini mulcher that cost 100K is $125 and up. I'm just looking at cost of machine verus payback.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: 2Dogs]
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11/08/17 02:46 PM
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Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such? A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 03:16 PM
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Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such? A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have. So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here. I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet.
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Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 03:24 PM
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[quote=Out back][quote=2Dogs]
So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here. Still not many people can drop 100k on equipment.
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Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: pcamper]
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11/08/17 03:29 PM
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I would venture to say closer to $90-120k It depends on your setup, but you are pretty much spot on... Which one? A new set up like we have would run a little over $100k. The Kubota SVL-95 is around $75k alone, Depending on the brand of mulcher, they start at about $28k and go to about $32k. This doesnt account a tow vehicle and trailer, A good tow trailer like a 20ton big Tex is around $10k, a decent tow vehicle can spend whatever you want. These units are very expensive to operate, the teeth on these machines run about $2,500-3,000. This is why they cost so much per hour. We charge $125 per hour with a 4 hour minimum , that is the cheapest Ive seen for Forestry Mulching. Ive seen it as high as $200 per hour for set ups like ours. Ive also seen people charge a “delivery fee” and 8 hour minimum. $125 an hr, why sell yourself short? When we bought this mulcher head we started doing work lower than anybody else to get going. Once we got going, people just seemed to appreciate a lower price so we just stuck with it. Kinda sounds corny but I enjoy meeting and talking with people, doing a good job at a good price. So far, that route has worked out good for us. I enjoy going out and meeting people as well, but I've also got a very expensive piece of equipment, truck, trailer, fuel,etc. to pay for. The market in most places is set at a higher rate than $125 per hr. The forestry mulching business has been saturated here lately, and the rates are paying the price. I'm getting $150+ per hour and staying back logged. Why would you leave money on the table?
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Re: Forestry mulcher
[Re: Out back]
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11/08/17 03:34 PM
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I shop around before I make an investment like $125 an hour. I can operate most any kind of equipment and I found someone who would rent me the machine. I compared the rental cost and fuel and hauling expenses. Then I decided to hire Jon to do the job. If his rates had been $150+per hour I probably would have gone with the rental.
The decision was real close anyway, but after much consideration we decided to hire it.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 03:38 PM
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Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such? A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have. So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here. I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet. Several things your not factoring, As outback said, a dozier “piles” debris and spoil. If you dont want very large piles of debris, you have to pay a dump truck to haul it off, not cheap” burning is not an option because your top soil is rolled into the debris pile. Also, the maintenance on these machines are very high, the cutter teeth cost around 3k. This is a wear item you have to figure into the price. A dozier doesnt have this kind of wear item. There are cases where a dozier is a better option but if your goal it to 1) remove vegetation 2) not to disturb top soil 3) eliminate erosion 4) not have any debris pile to deal with, A forrestry mulcher is the best option. I have a job we are working on where the and owner called us to come mulch the back half of his land after he had dozier come in to clear his land. He didnt like the damage the dozier was doing and the large dirt and debris piles. We are going there either tomorrow or Friday, Ill take pics of the area the dozier did and the piles he left and the area we are doing, it will make a lot more sense after you see the pics.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 03:45 PM
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Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such? A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have. So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here. I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet. Several things your not factoring, As outback said, a dozier “piles” debris and spoil. If you dont want very large piles of debris, you have to pay a dump truck to haul it off, not cheap” burning is not an option because your top soil is rolled into the debris pile. Also, the maintenance on these machines are very high, the cutter teeth cost around 3k. This is a wear item you have to figure into the price. A dozier doesnt have this kind of wear item. There are cases where a dozier is a better option but if your goal it to 1) remove vegetation 2) not to disturb top soil 3) eliminate erosion 4) not have any debris pile to deal with, A forrestry mulcher is the best option. I have a job we are working on where the and owner called us to come mulch the back half of his land after he had dozier come in to clear his land. He didnt like the damage the dozier was doing and the large dirt and debris piles. We are going there either tomorrow or Friday, Ill take pics of the area the dozier did and the piles he left and the area we are doing, it will make a lot more sense after you see the pics. I know what both are capable of. Your upkeep $ is more the answer I'm looking for . How long does a set of teeth last? How does it handle rocks?
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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11/08/17 03:52 PM
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We still need to establish a firebreak around a large area that's going to require a dozer. There's just no substitute for a dozer in some cases and I need a good wide firelane that I can plant and keep bushhogged. That means digging out stumps and clearing heavy underbrush and filling in gulleys. So at some point in the near future we'll be renting or hiring a dozer for that job.
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Re: Forestry mulcher
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Why does one of those smaller mulching machines fetch such a premium price per hour compared to price per hour of a good sized dozer , track hoe and such? A dozer has its place and I could have accomplished my goal with a dozer. But if we'd used a dozer we would have lots of brush piles to burn, with dirt piles mixed in, plus a loss of top soil. The mulcher saved top soil, didn't leave us with any debris to deal with, and it moved through this overgrown mess faster than dozer could have. So that's the reason they fetch a higher price? Looks like they'd be more common if you can invest 1/2 the $ and get the same return. Only one I've seen is on the RR up here. I guess it's because they are specialized and the market isn't saturated yet. Several things your not factoring, As outback said, a dozier “piles” debris and spoil. If you dont want very large piles of debris, you have to pay a dump truck to haul it off, not cheap” burning is not an option because your top soil is rolled into the debris pile. Also, the maintenance on these machines are very high, the cutter teeth cost around 3k. This is a wear item you have to figure into the price. A dozier doesnt have this kind of wear item. There are cases where a dozier is a better option but if your goal it to 1) remove vegetation 2) not to disturb top soil 3) eliminate erosion 4) not have any debris pile to deal with, A forrestry mulcher is the best option. I have a job we are working on where the and owner called us to come mulch the back half of his land after he had dozier come in to clear his land. He didnt like the damage the dozier was doing and the large dirt and debris piles. We are going there either tomorrow or Friday, Ill take pics of the area the dozier did and the piles he left and the area we are doing, it will make a lot more sense after you see the pics. I know what both are capable of. Your upkeep $ is more the answer I'm looking for . How long does a set of teeth last? How does it handle rocks? Teeth life depends on type of teeth, carbides or knives, and how much dirt and rock the operator has to deal with. Where I'm at on Sand Mtn, 6-700 hrs on carbides is about the max. 2500-3000 per set
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