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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: 257wbymag] #1989725
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag

Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: garyo
Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.


A study on coyotes is in progress. Been going a year or two.


My study concludes all those bastards need to die. Study complete



Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #1989851
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Thanks for sharing. Looks very interesting.


"Now boy, are you sure you can skin griz?"
Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #1990117
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I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."

"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Yelp softly] #1990150
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Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: centralala] #1990208
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Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?


From page 12 of Kevyn's paper. They called it hunting related causes, maybe I should go back and read some of the finer details more thoroughly but I wouldn't think an auto collision would be classified as hunting related or illegal.

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Thirty mortalities were documented throughout the study, 77% (23/30) of which were due to hunting-related causes. Among hunting-related mortalities, 17 (74%) were legal harvests, 5 (22%) were illegal harvests, and 1 (4%) was inconclusive as to the legality of the harvest.


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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #1990261
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I wonder how the deaths were determined 'for sure' to be illegal kills?

22% illegal kill rate of antlered bucks is absurd!!!!
And, a huge testament to the fact that we do not have enough GW's in the field to deter it.

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #1990263
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absolute fact , road hunters and night hunters are hurting the population worse than anything . I thought It was coyotes.

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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #1990268
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I will say it again.......

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones! I do not want to give up one damn ounce of my own personal enjoyment to sacrifice to account for illegal activity!!!!
No amount of new Regulatikns or Biologicla Studies will be feasible until we stop this.

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Hogwild] #1990272
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones!


I've been on that soapbox for 10 years - but I'm tired of preaching it. I've been assured by many folks in many walks of the business that we can't control our good ole southern outlaws. I say we give it a try at least!! Here I am getting worked up thinking about it!

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Yelp softly] #1990285
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Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?


From page 12 of Kevyn's paper. They called it hunting related causes, maybe I should go back and read some of the finer details more thoroughly but I wouldn't think an auto collision would be classified as hunting related or illegal.

Quote:
Thirty mortalities were documented throughout the study, 77% (23/30) of which were due to hunting-related causes. Among hunting-related mortalities, 17 (74%) were legal harvests, 5 (22%) were illegal harvests, and 1 (4%) was inconclusive as to the legality of the harvest.


Page 9 says cut collars found near roads where classified as illegal harvest. My first thought was auto collision. Thinking about it now could be shot from road. Just dont really know.

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: centralala] #1990293
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Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?


From page 12 of Kevyn's paper. They called it hunting related causes, maybe I should go back and read some of the finer details more thoroughly but I wouldn't think an auto collision would be classified as hunting related or illegal.

Quote:
Thirty mortalities were documented throughout the study, 77% (23/30) of which were due to hunting-related causes. Among hunting-related mortalities, 17 (74%) were legal harvests, 5 (22%) were illegal harvests, and 1 (4%) was inconclusive as to the legality of the harvest.


Page 9 says cut collars found near roads where classified as illegal harvest. My first thought was auto collision. Thinking about it now could be shot from road. Just dont really know.


I'm sure they were on the scene pretty fast, most likely if no deer was found it was a road hunter.

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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: turkey247] #1990433
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Originally Posted By: turkey247
Originally Posted By: Hogwild

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones!


I've been on that soapbox for 10 years - but I'm tired of preaching it. I've been assured by many folks in many walks of the business that we can't control our good ole southern outlaws. I say we give it a try at least!! Here I am getting worked up thinking about it!


if you target em you can..


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: BhamFred] #1990452
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: turkey247
Originally Posted By: Hogwild

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones!


I've been on that soapbox for 10 years - but I'm tired of preaching it. I've been assured by many folks in many walks of the business that we can't control our good ole southern outlaws. I say we give it a try at least!! Here I am getting worked up thinking about it!


if you target em you can..


Ain't no doubt about it!!!

But, then again, there ain't many like you, Robert Hill, Clem Parnell, etc left.
And, the ones with potential get Politically hampered for hurting the wrong folks feelings!

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Hogwild] #1990616
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
I will say it again.......

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones! I do not want to give up one damn ounce of my own personal enjoyment to sacrifice to account for illegal activity!!!!
No amount of new Regulatikns or Biologicla Studies will be feasible until we stop this.
Here, here

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #1990652
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These are all masters thesis?

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: garyo] #1990754
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Originally Posted By: garyo
Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.


Nothing that I'm aware of.


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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: centralala] #1990756
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Originally Posted By: centralala
Well, its not written in dumbass redneck terms. My 2 takes:
1) They collared 82 deer. 3 died PDQ leaving 79. Of those 79, 30 where killed somehow. That means 49 survived for 3 years of the study. IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, that is an unbelievable survival rate! IF that is correct, it should give hunters who opt to pass deer up renewed hope in their choice.
2). IF IM READING IT CORRECT, most "excursions" began at sunrise. Once again, renewed hope for hunters for a buck during daylight hours.


Survival rates were greater than I had expected. Excursions did begin at sunrise...which also surprised me and is great news for hunters.


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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: Yelp softly] #1990759
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Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I would love to provide more information on these deer, but unfortunately, there is no more information to share. I think that the data are a good indication that illegal harvest can be fairly prevalent in some areas.


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Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research [Re: blade] #1990761
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Originally Posted By: blade
These are all masters thesis?


Yes (with the exception of one PhD dissertation and one BS Honors thesis). I probably should have shared this page a long time ago, but never really thought of it. If you dig through that website, you can also get to additional publications that have come out of our research program.

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Originally Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff
Originally Posted By: blade
These are all masters thesis?


Yes (with the exception of one PhD dissertation and one BS Honors thesis). I probably should have shared this page a long time ago, but never really thought of it. If you dig through that website, you can also get to additional publications that have come out of our research program.


Thanks, they appeared to be, not that it mattered.

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