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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: Skinny]
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01/07/17 12:22 PM
01/07/17 12:22 PM
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Cape San Blas, Florida
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Well, the private landowner is on an entitlement program same as a welfare recipient and nothing more than drain on the DCNR without giving back. That's what I read anyway. You can buy your own land and pay the tax on it and be part of that same entitlement program. I saw the irony in his post, Skinny. He read it somewhere.  He's on our side.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: Deadwood]
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01/07/17 12:25 PM
01/07/17 12:25 PM
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Skinny
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Well, the private landowner is on an entitlement program same as a welfare recipient and nothing more than drain on the DCNR without giving back. That's what I read anyway. You can buy your own land and pay the tax on it and be part of that same entitlement program. I saw the irony in his post, Skinny. He read it somewhere. He's on our side. I got his irony, not being mean or snarky (thats a new liberal media word). I was also being ironic in that people would actually pay and work hard to get on an entitlement program.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: Hogwild]
#1981908
01/07/17 12:26 PM
01/07/17 12:26 PM
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Cape San Blas, Florida
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Seriously........buy land if you enjoy hunting!!!!
Not just any land. But, the 'right' land! It takes patience and sacrifice. But, the rewards are huge!!!
Where I am sitting watching this buck right now is a small 20 acre tract that was purchased from some heirs. It is nothing 'special' as far as land goes. And, the timber will never pay for the initial cost in my lifetime. However, the location is AWESOME! And, we can do whatever the Heck we please on it!!! You dang right.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: Skinny]
#1981909
01/07/17 12:26 PM
01/07/17 12:26 PM
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Cape San Blas, Florida
Deadwood
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Well, the private landowner is on an entitlement program same as a welfare recipient and nothing more than drain on the DCNR without giving back. That's what I read anyway. You can buy your own land and pay the tax on it and be part of that same entitlement program. I saw the irony in his post, Skinny. He read it somewhere. He's on our side. I got his irony, not being mean or snarky (thats a new liberal media word). I was also being ironic in that people would actually pay and work hard to get on an entitlement program. Gotcha.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/07/17 12:39 PM
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I am gonna say my piece and let this thread go. All of my life I have been a hard core supporter of the DCNR. They have done things I didn't through the years but nothing that I felt was against the hunters as a whole or the health of wildlife. The doe limits got me going but I did understand other areas needed it. Some of my areas didn't and I've said I blame coyotes for a lot. Picked up a camera this morning and 13 pictures of coyotes....about the same number as deer. Then came the extension of deer season in the north zone. My understanding is the only data to support this was some biologists saying "NO, DONT DO IT.". Now I see a DCNR not making decisions based on what is best for the wildlife with the available data. Then the Commissioner tells me I'm on an entitlement program and am only a drain on the system. After all the time, money, and sweat I have put in to better wildlife, ALL WILDLIFE, I am now told I'm a drain on the system. NOW, NOT SINGLE THING I SAID WAS A JAB AT THE GWs. They are not playing a part in this in my opinion that they are not required to. The bottom line is, the actions and comments by this commissioner has quite possibly turned me for life.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: centralala]
#1981954
01/07/17 12:48 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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I am gonna say my piece and let this thread go. All of my life I have been a hard core supporter of the DCNR. They have done things I didn't through the years but nothing that I felt was against the hunters as a whole or the health of wildlife. The doe limits got me going but I did understand other areas needed it. Some of my areas didn't and I've said I blame coyotes for a lot. Picked up a camera this morning and 13 pictures of coyotes....about the same number as deer. Then came the extension of deer season in the north zone. My understanding is the only data to support this was some biologists saying "NO, DONT DO IT.". Now I see a DCNR not making decisions based on what is best for the wildlife with the available data. Then the Commissioner tells me I'm on an entitlement program and am only a drain on the system. After all the time, money, and sweat I have put in to better wildlife, ALL WILDLIFE, I am now told I'm a drain on the system. NOW, NOT SINGLE THING I SAID WAS A JAB AT THE GWs. They are not playing a part in this in my opinion that they are not required to. The bottom line is, the actions and comments by this commissioner has quite possibly turned me for life. I can assure you, you don't have exclusive rights on those feelings.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: 2Dogs]
#1981963
01/07/17 12:57 PM
01/07/17 12:57 PM
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Posts: 9,565
Cape San Blas, Florida
Deadwood
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Footbsll Bat PSYOPS
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I am gonna say my piece and let this thread go. All of my life I have been a hard core supporter of the DCNR. They have done things I didn't through the years but nothing that I felt was against the hunters as a whole or the health of wildlife. The doe limits got me going but I did understand other areas needed it. Some of my areas didn't and I've said I blame coyotes for a lot. Picked up a camera this morning and 13 pictures of coyotes....about the same number as deer. Then came the extension of deer season in the north zone. My understanding is the only data to support this was some biologists saying "NO, DONT DO IT.". Now I see a DCNR not making decisions based on what is best for the wildlife with the available data. Then the Commissioner tells me I'm on an entitlement program and am only a drain on the system. After all the time, money, and sweat I have put in to better wildlife, ALL WILDLIFE, I am now told I'm a drain on the system. NOW, NOT SINGLE THING I SAID WAS A JAB AT THE GWs. They are not playing a part in this in my opinion that they are not required to. The bottom line is, the actions and comments by this commissioner has quite possibly turned me for life. I can assure you, you don't have exclusive rights on those feelings. You know, I used to take pride in the fact that most of us tried to play strictly by the rules set forth, up to and including not "putting out a little corn" like the old timers used to say. Now, night poaching and baiting illegally is about the only thing that might make me do a call-in. I want an agency that will once again do what is best for the wildlife, not playing footsie under the table with the high-rollers at our expense.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: centralala]
#1981975
01/07/17 01:06 PM
01/07/17 01:06 PM
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Luverne, AL
Skinny
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The bottom line is, the actions and comments by this commissioner has quite possibly turned me for life. Trust me... you aint the only one. I see all of everybody much more than the dcnr does ( I can show the numbers if folks dont believe me) and this current administration has run a lot of people away.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: Deadwood]
#1981994
01/07/17 01:24 PM
01/07/17 01:24 PM
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Boxes Cove
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I want an agency that will once again do what is best for the wildlife, not playing footsie under the table with the high-rollers at our expense.
Sir.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: jawbone]
#1983137
01/08/17 12:25 PM
01/08/17 12:25 PM
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North AL
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Somewhere, right now, 49er is smiling after reading this thread.  Content was often fine, the delivery needed work as well as the ability to see who is on your side and not argue with those that agree with you. I told him many times that he needed to go to law school to learn how to apply the case law to the proper context of the situation. Research was never his weakness though. A couple of thoughts on revamping the DCNR, first off, no member of CAB should be allowed if they have a financial interest that can be connected to DCNR Regs. Dan Moultrie, who may be a fine man, I don't know, I've never met him, should not have any say so what so ever to do with anything related to baiting, feeding etc.. In the world I live in, that is an ethics violation. Secondly, since harming the population of a game animal takes a long time to recover from, there has to be some oversight of property owners and lessors. I'm all for them having a say in the matter, but not total control. As a hunter and license holder, I would like to have more of a say in the matters of G&F regulations. Be careful Jawbone. I got my knuckles rapped on a previous thread for suggesting virtually the same thing about Dan Moultrie. I don't know Dan either, but when he was appointed to the board, decoys quickly became legal in Alabama. Coincidence? You be the judge. I am not a fan of what I am seeing or hearing about Mr. Sykes and his vision for the future of wildlife management in Alabama. I also cannot believe that an elected CAB would solve the issues. Special interests would still have the ability to get their people elected. To believe they will not is folly as virtually all elections come down to one thing - MONEY. Another poster suggested we should apply pressure to the elected officials who have authority over the CAB. This is where it needs to start.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: AU338MAG]
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01/08/17 12:34 PM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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I don't know Dan either, but when he was appointed to the board, decoys quickly became legal in Alabama. Dan was appointed to the CAB in 2001 or 2002, I think. Seems like it was about that time when he was appointed and became Chairman, replacing Mr. Hinton. I believe turkey decoys and scopes on muzzleloaders were approved at the same time, in 2007. Not sure, but I think it was then. Crossbows may have been in that same timeframe, too. Lot of changes then, including the buck limits. Dan wasn't leading the charge on all that.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/08/17 12:53 PM
01/08/17 12:53 PM
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Cape San Blas, Florida
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These DCNR guys are killing their own credibility and authority they might have had at one point and the hunting public can see right through it. I believe that is why a lot of guys not only WON'T follow the law, but actually have contempt for it. The beef is not with the officers in the field, but rather the so called leadership at the top. The field officers are caught in the middle of what they probably know is a crooked game, but they ARE sworn officers with a duty to enforce.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/24/17 01:49 PM
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Hey guys, sorry to dredge up an old thread. My name is Joe Baya and I am the digital publisher of Great Days Outdoors Magazine. As a service to the readers of this forum, I would like provide you the link to the article mentioned in the beginning of this thread. Each month, the ADCNR commissioner, director of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries, and the director of Marine resources contribute a column to our magazine. We provide this platform for the hunters and fisherman of the state of Alabama so that you can learn more about what is on the minds of your government officials. http://bit.ly/2kpadc0
"The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. - Finn Aagard
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: TooTall]
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01/24/17 03:59 PM
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Cletus
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Hey guys, sorry to dredge up an old thread. My name is Joe Baya and I am the digital publisher of Great Days Outdoors Magazine. As a service to the readers of this forum, I would like provide you the link to the article mentioned in the beginning of this thread. Each month, the ADCNR commissioner, director of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries, and the director of Marine resources contribute a column to our magazine. We provide this platform for the hunters and fisherman of the state of Alabama so that you can learn more about what is on the minds of your government officials. http://bit.ly/2kpadc0 Redirect them to this post.........so they know what is on our minds.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: Cletus]
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01/24/17 04:05 PM
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Hey guys, sorry to dredge up an old thread. My name is Joe Baya and I am the digital publisher of Great Days Outdoors Magazine. As a service to the readers of this forum, I would like provide you the link to the article mentioned in the beginning of this thread. Each month, the ADCNR commissioner, director of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries, and the director of Marine resources contribute a column to our magazine. We provide this platform for the hunters and fisherman of the state of Alabama so that you can learn more about what is on the minds of your government officials. http://bit.ly/2kpadc0 Redirect them to this post.........so they know what is on our minds. How about he publish a article in Great Days Outdoors Mag. about game check , the back room deal to get it, the high fence / season extension fiasco .
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: 2Dogs]
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01/24/17 04:14 PM
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Hey guys, sorry to dredge up an old thread. My name is Joe Baya and I am the digital publisher of Great Days Outdoors Magazine. As a service to the readers of this forum, I would like provide you the link to the article mentioned in the beginning of this thread. Each month, the ADCNR commissioner, director of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries, and the director of Marine resources contribute a column to our magazine. We provide this platform for the hunters and fisherman of the state of Alabama so that you can learn more about what is on the minds of your government officials. http://bit.ly/2kpadc0 Redirect them to this post.........so they know what is on our minds. How about he publish a article in Great Days Outdoors Mag. about game check , the back room deal to get it, the high fence / season extension fiasco . Great idea. At least let's look in to the possible conflict of interest when multiple board members and/or Chuck Sykes benefit from their "recommendations".....
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Re: Momentum Builds to Abolish the dcnr
[Re: Cletus]
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01/24/17 05:15 PM
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Hey guys, sorry to dredge up an old thread. My name is Joe Baya and I am the digital publisher of Great Days Outdoors Magazine. As a service to the readers of this forum, I would like provide you the link to the article mentioned in the beginning of this thread. Each month, the ADCNR commissioner, director of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries, and the director of Marine resources contribute a column to our magazine. We provide this platform for the hunters and fisherman of the state of Alabama so that you can learn more about what is on the minds of your government officials. http://bit.ly/2kpadc0 Redirect them to this post.........so they know what is on our minds. Haha!  Like they give a ratsass what we think. "We" ain't shoving $ in their back pockets while jerkin them off.
This is Aldeer! The place people come to vent their frustrations and completely change their stance a few minutes later...
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