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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
[Re: joshm28]
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11/16/16 03:38 AM
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There actually is s demand for the power in the SE. I do a lot of work at combined cycle plants from here to South Florida. Most of those plants were designed as peaking plants and the equipment was designed to run 30-40% of the time.
With the new EPA regs these plants are now running 90% of the time and it's taking a huge toll on the equipment itself. Between Bellefonte and Google, congrats to the area is what I say. A little off subject, are you familiar with Powerphase LLC? This is done via various techniques including the use of independently driven compressors that are more efficient than the main unit gas turbine compressor they supplement and the recovery of waste heat from various portions of the cycle. Depending on the particular gas turbine on which the technology is applied savings can be as high as 7%. I supply compressors for these applications.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
[Re: joshm28]
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11/16/16 04:02 AM
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Irish
There actually is s demand for the power in the SE. I do a lot of work at combined cycle plants from here to South Florida. Most of those plants were designed as peaking plants and the equipment was designed to run 30-40% of the time.
With the new EPA regs these plants are now running 90% of the time and it's taking a huge toll on the equipment itself. Yes they are. All the combined cycles are running as base loaded units now because of the low gas prices. The guys who manage the generation output are always going to fire up the least cost effective units last. Nuclear is cheap power ONCE IT IS BUILT, but the capital costs are off the charts and it takes some deep pockets to build one. Southern Company is already building two new nuclear units. The first new ones in the US since 3 Mile Island. I'm not saying they are crazy for buying it, but from what I know it seems a curious investment due to the realities of demand in the Southeast.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
[Re: timbercruiser]
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11/16/16 04:04 AM
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Was the value in the permit in place? It seems it would be less expensive to build another one from scratch. My guess if there is any value in the purchase, this was it. I can't imagine how much trouble it is to get all the permitting in place to build a nuclear plant. Perhaps they are banking on selling it to Duke Energy or Southern Company, but that seems questionable too...
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
[Re: Refugehunter]
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11/16/16 04:21 AM
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Can they sell the power that the plant produces all up and down the eastern sea board and not just the south east I believe that's the plan.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
[Re: NickA]
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11/16/16 04:32 AM
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Can they sell the power that the plant produces all up and down the eastern sea board and not just the south east I believe that's the plan. I'm sure that's a possibility, but I don't work on the transmission side of things, and I don't fully understand the logistics and fees for using other utilities infrastructure for such and endeavor.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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11/16/16 05:43 AM
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Irish, you work for AL Power? No reason, just my educated guess based on your knowledge of this stuff. I can't say.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
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11/16/16 05:55 AM
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Back in the late 80s and early 90s TVA had archery draw hunts at Bellefonte. You called in your name and whatever else they asked for. They used a computer program like a lottery to choose the hunters. If I remember correctly you had to be present, before daylight and ready to hunt, when they 'drew' the names. The number of hunters was limited to 50 or so and if somebody was drawn but not there they drew another name and continued until the quota was filled. I was fortunate enough to get drawn 3 or 4 times over the years and killed deer all but the last hunt and it was miserable. I don't remember even seeing a deer that day. The first hunts were a hoot though. Deer everywhere and they weren't spooked. A doe would come hauling ass if you blew real hard on a fawn bleat. 2 of 'em made that fatal mistake with me.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
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11/16/16 07:44 AM
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I believe it is the oasis act the says all transmission utilities have to let purchased power flow across their system free of charge.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
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11/16/16 10:30 AM
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A little Birdie told me today that it cost about $100 million dollars just to get a new site certified to build a new nuclear plant.
If that is the case, then $111 million for a piece of property that is already certified would be a bargain. Any existing structures, cooling towers, etc... would be a bonus.
It will take somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 years to get a plant up and running there. My best guess.
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Re: Bellefonte Nuclear has been purchased.
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11/16/16 11:28 AM
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I grew up with a father that worked in the nuclear energy industry and later the nuclear weapons industry. My 7th grade science fair project was a model of a boiling water reactor plant. He taught me a whole lot about nuclear energy throughout my childhood. Just saying this up front so you guys will know where I'm coming from so yes, I am a little biased towards using nuclear energy.
That said, there is a huge difference in nuclear power regulations between the U.S., Japan, and Russia (former Soviet Union). In the U.S. the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) dictates what can be done and what cannot be done. This agency puts very strict requirements on reactor facilities. The Japanese and Russian counterparts are incredibly LAX when compared to the NRC.
In the case of the Fukushima accident, the failures were a result of design flaws and lax assessments of potential hazards. The designers were incredibly arrogant and lax in their approach to providing emergency backup systems. When the chit hit the fan, the backup systems were unavailable and all went kaput ...
In the case of the Chernobyl accident the cause was also a bad reactor design and it was compounded by a lax attitude in training critical personnel. When the chit hit the fan the personnel had no clue how to respond and all went kaput ...
Contrast that with the U.S. Three Mile Island incident. In this case everything that could go wrong went wrong and the backup systems saved the day (hence no kaput ...). In fact, TMI is a case study in what needs to be done to safeguard reactor sites.
The NRC is so strict that it not only requires backup systems, it requires three levels of backup systems. The primary backup systems are backed up by a secondary set of backup systems. The secondary backup systems are backed up by a third set of backups.
I'm not saying that U.S. nuclear energy systems are totally safe. Sure, if you fly a 747 into a reactor then radiation is going to be released. I'm just saying that what we have here in the U.S. is much much more safe than anywhere else in the world. Comparing the U.S. nuclear power systems to the Japanese and Russian systems can be likened to comparing a Rolex to a Timex Actually, on the 747....ever stepped on an aluminum can on a concrete floor? It'd kinda be like that.
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