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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668248
02/28/16 08:47 AM
02/28/16 08:47 AM
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Moulton, AL
buckhead
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I fail to see why a hunter would be aganist an oportunity to have a larger and healthier deer heard on public land. Was the deer herd more healthy or less healthy prior to the 3 buck limit? Does larger deer herd = healthier herd? I would say less healthy because the buck/doe ratio seemed to be way off. Extending the breeding season prolongs antler retention which shortens the antler growing season resulting in smaller antlers. I believe this is why Alabama hunting license sales are down. Some people have given up on killing a nice buck in Al. Lets face the fact that most people hunt to harvest a nice set of antlers.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Anything I post on this forum is simply my opinion and is not the implied opinion of Aldeer, any of it's members, or guests.
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: 2Dogs]
#1668252
02/28/16 08:50 AM
02/28/16 08:50 AM
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Madison, AL
wmd
OP
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Madison, AL
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Just like i have said before, in my opinion, 90 percent of Alabama's deer killers would kill the last deer on earth just to brag about killing it. Oh, and to feed their family. I doubt that number would be 90%. That being said, there is a good percentage in areas that obviously don't need the season extended into February that would be for it. When asked given season has been open for 3.5 months, rut has come and gone, give a biological reason to extend season they'd look at you like you were from Mars. What's common sense along with scientific data got to do with Bubba goin' huntin'?  Flip-side: is there a biological reason not to add the 10 days? Can the herd take 10 more days of legal hunting? Some areas of the state are open two months after their primary rut. Should the opening and closing dates be shifted to the left there?
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" -
D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668253
02/28/16 08:51 AM
02/28/16 08:51 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Which is kind of sad, to be honest, if "a nice set" of antlers are the primary reason to hunt.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668255
02/28/16 08:51 AM
02/28/16 08:51 AM
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Posts: 780
Moulton, AL
buckhead
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Moulton, AL
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Truly, truly am glad that a lot of y'all are not in charge of our state's wildlife management decisions about seasons and bag limits. Lol
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: buckhead]
#1668262
02/28/16 08:58 AM
02/28/16 08:58 AM
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Madison, AL
wmd
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Madison, AL
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I fail to see why a hunter would be aganist an oportunity to have a larger and healthier deer heard on public land. Was the deer herd more healthy or less healthy prior to the 3 buck limit? Does larger deer herd = healthier herd? I would say less healthy because the buck/doe ratio seemed to be way off. Extending the breeding season prolongs antler retention which shortens the antler growing season resulting in smaller antlers. I believe this is why Alabama hunting license sales are down. Some people have given up on killing a nice buck in Al. Lets face the fact that most people hunt to harvest a nice set of antlers. Interesting ... I am not a biologist, but I had never heard some of those things. So, in all of the areas with low deer densities that is where we should be hunting if we want to kill monster bucks? Heck seems like folks would want to have the bare minimum of does on their land to allow for more antler growing time if that is true.
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" -
D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: Clem]
#1668264
02/28/16 09:01 AM
02/28/16 09:01 AM
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Moulton, AL
buckhead
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Which is kind of sad, to be honest, if "a nice set" of antlers are the primary reason to hunt.
Better than saying I just want to "kill anything that walks"!
"You can't handle the truth!"
Anything I post on this forum is simply my opinion and is not the implied opinion of Aldeer, any of it's members, or guests.
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
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02/28/16 09:05 AM
02/28/16 09:05 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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No, it's not. Not everyone is hung up on antlers.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668269
02/28/16 09:07 AM
02/28/16 09:07 AM
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Moulton, AL
buckhead
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I fail to see why a hunter would be aganist an oportunity to have a larger and healthier deer heard on public land. Was the deer herd more healthy or less healthy prior to the 3 buck limit? Does larger deer herd = healthier herd? I would say less healthy because the buck/doe ratio seemed to be way off. Extending the breeding season prolongs antler retention which shortens the antler growing season resulting in smaller antlers. I believe this is why Alabama hunting license sales are down. Some people have given up on killing a nice buck in Al. Lets face the fact that most people hunt to harvest a nice set of antlers. Interesting ... I am not a biologist, but I had never heard some of those things. So, in all of the areas with low deer densities that is where we should be hunting if we want to kill monster bucks? Heck seems like folks would want to have the bare minimum of does on their land to allow for more antler growing time if that is true. Low density is not as important as a good ratio in my opinion. Im no biologist either but i have been hunting and observing deer for 30 years.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Anything I post on this forum is simply my opinion and is not the implied opinion of Aldeer, any of it's members, or guests.
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668276
02/28/16 09:12 AM
02/28/16 09:12 AM
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Moulton, AL
buckhead
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That kind of like saying, "I play baseball just to ride the bench." I believe we play because we dream of that home run.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Anything I post on this forum is simply my opinion and is not the implied opinion of Aldeer, any of it's members, or guests.
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: buckhead]
#1668277
02/28/16 09:12 AM
02/28/16 09:12 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Boxes Cove
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I fail to see why a hunter would be aganist an oportunity to have a larger and healthier deer heard on public land. Was the deer herd more healthy or less healthy prior to the 3 buck limit? Does larger deer herd = healthier herd? I would say less healthy because the buck/doe ratio seemed to be way off. Extending the breeding season prolongs antler retention which shortens the antler growing season resulting in smaller antlers. I believe this is why Alabama hunting license sales are down. Some people have given up on killing a nice buck in Al. Lets face the fact that most people hunt to harvest a nice set of antlers. Interesting ... I am not a biologist, but I had never heard some of those things. So, in all of the areas with low deer densities that is where we should be hunting if we want to kill monster bucks? Heck seems like folks would want to have the bare minimum of does on their land to allow for more antler growing time if that is true. Low density is not as important as a good ratio in my opinion. Im no biologist either but i have been hunting and observing deer for 30 years. No biologist either, been hunting and observing deer in Northeast Alabama for 40+ years. And yes you can have alot of deer........IF YOU HAVE FOOD FOR THEM.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668282
02/28/16 09:18 AM
02/28/16 09:18 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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Just like i have said before, in my opinion, 90 percent of Alabama's deer killers would kill the last deer on earth just to brag about killing it. Oh, and to feed their family. I doubt that number would be 90%. That being said, there is a good percentage in areas that obviously don't need the season extended into February that would be for it. When asked given season has been open for 3.5 months, rut has come and gone, give a biological reason to extend season they'd look at you like you were from Mars. What's common sense along with scientific data got to do with Bubba goin' huntin'? Flip-side: is there a biological reason not to add the 10 days? Can the herd take 10 more days of legal hunting? Some areas of the state are open two months after their primary rut. Should the opening and closing dates be shifted to the left there? Actually closing earlier in those areas that have the really early rut does make sense I suppose, however , we've had 3.5 months of season for decades , nobody is gonna go for shortening. My deal is we have an army of biologists with a mound of data. We should have several zones. Why spend $ to collect data that tells you what to do and then paint the whole state with one broad brush. They're always broke , if that's the case they should lay off some biologist because it appears they don't need them.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: buckhead]
#1668284
02/28/16 09:21 AM
02/28/16 09:21 AM
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Gulfcrest
bigt
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Just like i have said before, in my opinion, 90 percent of Alabama's deer killers would kill the last deer on earth just to brag about killing it. Oh, and to feed their family. Sadly I tend to agree with this statement......
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: 2Dogs]
#1668285
02/28/16 09:21 AM
02/28/16 09:21 AM
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Posts: 51,973
Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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we've had 3.5 months of season for decades , nobody is gonna go for shortening. If the data and biology support shortening it, though, that should be a consideration. One of the worst things ever is "That's the way we've always done it." I've been guilty of supporting this attitude on some things but when you truly consider it vs. other options, it's not always a sound practice.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668288
02/28/16 09:22 AM
02/28/16 09:22 AM
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Gulfcrest
bigt
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I fail to see why a hunter would be aganist an oportunity to have a larger and healthier deer heard on public land. Was the deer herd more healthy or less healthy prior to the 3 buck limit? Does larger deer herd = healthier herd? Just as healthy would be the answer i.e. no damn difference
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: Clem]
#1668296
02/28/16 09:26 AM
02/28/16 09:26 AM
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Gulfcrest
bigt
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we've had 3.5 months of season for decades , nobody is gonna go for shortening. If the data and biology support shortening it, though, that should be a consideration. One of the worst things ever is "That's the way we've always done it." I've been guilty of supporting this attitude on some things but when you truly consider it vs. other options, it's not always a sound practice. ^^^^^^this
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: Clem]
#1668299
02/28/16 09:27 AM
02/28/16 09:27 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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we've had 3.5 months of season for decades , nobody is gonna go for shortening. If the data and biology support shortening it, though, that should be a consideration. One of the worst things ever is "That's the way we've always done it." I've been guilty of supporting this attitude on some things but when you truly consider it vs. other options, it's not always a sound practice. I agree Clem , but shortening season for anyone would be a circus. BTW, I wish our gun season opened bout December 15 and closed last day of January.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: wmd]
#1668313
02/28/16 09:45 AM
02/28/16 09:45 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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That might be a more plausible option to pursue than shortening the overall season, no? Similar to the other states with shorter, more contained firearms seasons and archery (bow, crossbow) running pre- and post-gun dates?
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: buckhead]
#1668338
02/28/16 10:04 AM
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Brierfield
Beadlescomb
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With the buck limit came the need for the "numbers guys" to resort to killing more doe to "feed their families". Now we have fewer doe. Who didn't see that coming?
I think that killing doe on public land should be outlawed for a while. Bankhead would be a prime example. Of course more would need to be done to improve forage to up the holding capacity. Maybe 1 doe every two years for a hunter on public land would be a good place to start. I would even impose a 1 buck per year law for public land. You're out of your rabbit ass mind Im not entitled to my own opinions? Wow! Suck it jackass! And I'm entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that you're a damn idiot
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: Clem]
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02/28/16 10:08 AM
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Brierfield
Beadlescomb
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we've had 3.5 months of season for decades , nobody is gonna go for shortening. If the data and biology support shortening it, though, that should be a consideration. One of the worst things ever is "That's the way we've always done it." I've been guilty of supporting this attitude on some things but when you truly consider it vs. other options, it's not always a sound practice. I can get in line with the season being too long. I'm not a biologist so I don't have a clue how they'd go about doing it but if our season around here ended around Dec 31st or a little earlier I could live with it. Im usually done by then or a little earlier anyway.
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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Re: Proposed Antlerless Season Changes
[Re: Clem]
#1668377
02/28/16 11:01 AM
02/28/16 11:01 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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That might be a more plausible option to pursue than shortening the overall season, no? Similar to the other states with shorter, more contained firearms seasons and archery (bow, crossbow) running pre- and post-gun dates?
Makes sense, however we just don't do it that way in Alabama. 
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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