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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: codie]
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12/31/15 06:22 AM
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. Fawns (button heads) would have to be tagged as bucks when an either sex tag is no longer avaliable. I've messed up and done it myself a couple times and it's gonna happen to anybody........ But if the state had some way to protect button heads and educate people to think it over before they shoot a single "doe" wandering thru the woods I think it would help the state's deer hunting as much as any single thing we could do. At least make people count them as a buck for their season harvest. The way it is now Lonnie Sixpack has a free pass to shoot every one of the poor little ignorant creatures he wants to And I gotta get back to work so I'll go ahead and respond to any negative comments I'm about to get ....... There ain't no reason for anybody but a kid or a brand new hunter to EVER shoot a buck fawn on purpose. Legal or not it don't matter. That's the dumbest animal in the woods and he'd just about let you stand there and throw rocks at him til you hit him in the head with one. Let him go and odds are good that he will probably stay around your place for the rest of his life. I know they taste good, but I'm sure 6lb fryer sized Jennies are delicious too. That don't mean it's ok to be greedy enough to shoot one of them.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: NightHunter]
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12/31/15 07:12 AM
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Some of you guys are talking about areas that need lower antlerless harvests, where specifically are you talking about?
Be as specific as possible, this is pretty interesting to see if y'all match DMP/hunter reports that I have had. Cleburne, Talledega, Calhoun and Clay counties.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: codie]
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12/31/15 08:40 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Some of you guys are talking about areas that need lower antlerless harvests, where specifically are you talking about? Eastern Morgan County south of the river, west of US 431 and east of I-65, and possibly the entire county.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: NightHunter]
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12/31/15 11:04 AM
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: NightHunter]
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12/31/15 12:28 PM
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Fur- It really wouldn't take all that many. You base it off of general habitat types, soils, deer pops., human population centers, breeding info, land ownership patterns and a couple other factors and you can begin to see patterns or shapes taking place. Pretty interesting. Well, then get to it!  Add Marshall county, south of the river to the need to shut down antlerless season for a while. Come look at our farm, and do a trail camera survey, I think you'd be surprised....
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: BrentM]
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01/01/16 09:34 AM
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. Fawns (button heads) would have to be tagged as bucks when an either sex tag is no longer avaliable. I've messed up and done it myself a couple times and it's gonna happen to anybody........ But if the state had some way to protect button heads and educate people to think it over before they shoot a single "doe" wandering thru the woods I think it would help the state's deer hunting as much as any single thing we could do. At least make people count them as a buck for their season harvest. The way it is now Lonnie Sixpack has a free pass to shoot every one of the poor little ignorant creatures he wants to And I gotta get back to work so I'll go ahead and respond to any negative comments I'm about to get ....... There ain't no reason for anybody but a kid or a brand new hunter to EVER shoot a buck fawn on purpose. Legal or not it don't matter. That's the dumbest animal in the woods and he'd just about let you stand there and throw rocks at him til you hit him in the head with one. Let him go and odds are good that he will probably stay around your place for the rest of his life. I know they taste good, but I'm sure 6lb fryer sized Jennies are delicious too. That don't mean it's ok to be greedy enough to shoot one of them. I had rather you shoot a spike than a doe. If you want meat shoot a buck. If you want to shoot a trophy, shoot a buck. Does are protected on my place, so are spikes for that matter. But if you have to pull the trigger, shoot a buck.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: March15]
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01/01/16 09:56 AM
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. Fawns (button heads) would have to be tagged as bucks when an either sex tag is no longer avaliable. I've messed up and done it myself a couple times and it's gonna happen to anybody........ But if the state had some way to protect button heads and educate people to think it over before they shoot a single "doe" wandering thru the woods I think it would help the state's deer hunting as much as any single thing we could do. At least make people count them as a buck for their season harvest. The way it is now Lonnie Sixpack has a free pass to shoot every one of the poor little ignorant creatures he wants to And I gotta get back to work so I'll go ahead and respond to any negative comments I'm about to get ....... There ain't no reason for anybody but a kid or a brand new hunter to EVER shoot a buck fawn on purpose. Legal or not it don't matter. That's the dumbest animal in the woods and he'd just about let you stand there and throw rocks at him til you hit him in the head with one. Let him go and odds are good that he will probably stay around your place for the rest of his life. I know they taste good, but I'm sure 6lb fryer sized Jennies are delicious too. That don't mean it's ok to be greedy enough to shoot one of them. I had rather you shoot a spike than a doe. If you want meat shoot a buck. If you want to shoot a trophy, shoot a buck. Does are protected on my place, so are spikes for that matter. But if you have to pull the trigger, shoot a buck. The discussion was actually about fawns (button heads) and the tagging of said fawns. Spikes would require a buck tag.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: March15]
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01/01/16 10:00 AM
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. Fawns (button heads) would have to be tagged as bucks when an either sex tag is no longer avaliable. I've messed up and done it myself a couple times and it's gonna happen to anybody........ But if the state had some way to protect button heads and educate people to think it over before they shoot a single "doe" wandering thru the woods I think it would help the state's deer hunting as much as any single thing we could do. At least make people count them as a buck for their season harvest. The way it is now Lonnie Sixpack has a free pass to shoot every one of the poor little ignorant creatures he wants to And I gotta get back to work so I'll go ahead and respond to any negative comments I'm about to get ....... There ain't no reason for anybody but a kid or a brand new hunter to EVER shoot a buck fawn on purpose. Legal or not it don't matter. That's the dumbest animal in the woods and he'd just about let you stand there and throw rocks at him til you hit him in the head with one. Let him go and odds are good that he will probably stay around your place for the rest of his life. I know they taste good, but I'm sure 6lb fryer sized Jennies are delicious too. That don't mean it's ok to be greedy enough to shoot one of them. I had rather you shoot a spike than a doe. If you want meat shoot a buck. If you want to shoot a trophy, shoot a buck. Does are protected on my place, so are spikes for that matter. But if you have to pull the trigger, shoot a buck. I agree from a management stand point at least in the area I hunt it's would be way better to shoot a young buck or any buck for that matter than a doe until our deer population is back where it needs to be.....
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: bigt]
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01/01/16 12:41 PM
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wmd
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. Fawns (button heads) would have to be tagged as bucks when an either sex tag is no longer avaliable. I've messed up and done it myself a couple times and it's gonna happen to anybody........ But if the state had some way to protect button heads and educate people to think it over before they shoot a single "doe" wandering thru the woods I think it would help the state's deer hunting as much as any single thing we could do. At least make people count them as a buck for their season harvest. The way it is now Lonnie Sixpack has a free pass to shoot every one of the poor little ignorant creatures he wants to And I gotta get back to work so I'll go ahead and respond to any negative comments I'm about to get ....... There ain't no reason for anybody but a kid or a brand new hunter to EVER shoot a buck fawn on purpose. Legal or not it don't matter. That's the dumbest animal in the woods and he'd just about let you stand there and throw rocks at him til you hit him in the head with one. Let him go and odds are good that he will probably stay around your place for the rest of his life. I know they taste good, but I'm sure 6lb fryer sized Jennies are delicious too. That don't mean it's ok to be greedy enough to shoot one of them. I had rather you shoot a spike than a doe. If you want meat shoot a buck. If you want to shoot a trophy, shoot a buck. Does are protected on my place, so are spikes for that matter. But if you have to pull the trigger, shoot a buck. I agree from a management stand point at least in the area I hunt it's would be way better to shoot a young buck or any buck for that matter than a doe until our deer population is back where it needs to be..... I thought the reason we had to start killing so many does was because everybody was shooting little bucks and getting the buck:doe ratio and herd age dynamics all out of kilter? As for shooting button heads, I haven't killed one in about 30 years. My son has killed a couple where we didn't take the time to fully ID which deer was what in a group, but I don't think it is the end of the world if some are killed. I think folks need to account for them in their overall buck kill totals if they are tracking that kind of stuff. If the doe (antlerless) killing opportunities are reduced either by limits or reduced season opportunities it will or should also protect the button heads and teeny-tiny spike bucks that are often "oops" deer.
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" -
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: wmd]
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01/01/16 12:48 PM
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I thought the reason we had to start killing so many does was because everybody was shooting little bucks and getting the buck:doe ratio and herd age dynamics all out of kilter?
We did and as always, we over did it.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: NightHunter]
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01/02/16 05:44 PM
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What if you live on 2 acres and kill 5 behind your house and your neighbor next door shoots 5 too and so on and so on........
It has to be done on a per acre basis or it's useless.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: bowhunt55]
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01/02/16 10:21 PM
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what if you are in one of the areas that has had the doe population decimated? Then the blanket five could be an issue. Your right a limit of five is too many. I have a new proposal. Let's go with a three deer limit. One buck, one doe, one either sex.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: bowhunt55]
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01/03/16 04:06 AM
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See evidence of many coyotes in Marshall county? Yes, but there were coyotes when we had 3 doe days and the deer population was increasing, slowly. Coyotes are probably the reason we never got a good deer population though. Marshall county had 1 doe day for years, but the deer never took off. I've seen one fawn this season. I trap and shoot coyotes. There's nothing more that I can do about them. Hunters can be limited on doe harvest, coyotes can't.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: deerman24]
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01/04/16 07:03 AM
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the point here is to sell more licenses How do you figure that?
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: codie]
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01/04/16 07:59 AM
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Some of you guys are talking about areas that need lower antlerless harvests, where specifically are you talking about?
Be as specific as possible, this is pretty interesting to see if y'all match DMP/hunter reports that I have had. Cleburne, Talledega, Calhoun and Clay counties. Place I always mention is in Cleburne south of I20.In the immediate area I'm hunting I'd put it with about Morgan County, Northern part of Cullman... rural, but lots of houses = lots of hunters. I don't have any land in Marshall, but go through there often.. bout the same setup. Nothing like the kind of deer numbers we've got on other places in Bullock, Dallas, Pickens, North Jackson etc.
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Re: Season Limit Question
[Re: NightHunter]
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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.
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