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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: BucksvilleFatboy]
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09/21/15 01:43 PM
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ridgestalker
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I'll guarantee you he put alot of thought into what he said.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: BucksvilleFatboy]
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09/21/15 02:11 PM
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I'm glad he said it. I'm also glad he later said the same thing about Hillary Clinton being POTUS.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: bill]
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09/22/15 08:57 AM
09/22/15 08:57 AM
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bill
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The Constitution is very clear on this point, there are no religious requirements to hold office in the United States. That isn't a partisan issue. I'm just wondering if you hold democrats to the same standard. If they voice their opinion on issues that the constitution addresses, do you hold them to the same standard? There have been plenty of opportunities for you to chime in on some of their past statements if you do. You may have but I must have missed it. I see you never answered this. I'm not trying to get people to gang up on you but I want you to be honest in the conversation. I don't think you are, even if your can't see your own bias.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: bill]
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09/22/15 09:42 AM
09/22/15 09:42 AM
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augustus_65
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The Constitution is very clear on this point, there are no religious requirements to hold office in the United States. That isn't a partisan issue. I'm just wondering if you hold democrats to the same standard. If they voice their opinion on issues that the constitution addresses, do you hold them to the same standard? There have been plenty of opportunities for you to chime in on some of their past statements if you do. You may have but I must have missed it. I see you never answered this. I'm not trying to get people to gang up on you but I want you to be honest in the conversation. I don't think you are, even if your can't see your own bias. I'm sorry I didn't have an opportunity to respond within your time frame. I have been in Court all day. I have mentioned neither Islam nor party affiliation in either of my responses. I questioned why he would give a response to a loaded question that is easily addressed by citing Article VI. I'm not attacking Dr. Carson, but clearly you have taken it that way so I will elucidate my position. I hold all politicians and political candidates to the same standard when they resort to political demagoguery, be it in the form of race or religion. I had a great deal of respect for Dr. Carson prior to this remark as he had remained above the side show demagoguery of Donald Trump. Trump tells people what they want to hear, just like Wallace, McCarthy, and myriad other politicians who have seized on heated political topics to further their own careers. Unfortunately I don't have time to call out all the presidential candidates of both parties for all the BS they spew. I have not made a single post in favor of nor in opposition to any presidential candidate of either party during this election cycle, but for some reason you seem unnerved when anyone questions your candidate. I have not commented a single time on any of your voluminous political posts for this very reason. Why are you so concerned when someone points out the Constitutional inconsistency of your candidate? Everyone likes to say he is just giving his opinion. Everyone has an opinion but not everyone is running for President of the United States. He must be held to a higher standard. Before now he had the opportunity to be viewed as a statesman who refused to get into the mud with his opponents, but now he is no different than Trump whom you so vehemently oppose.
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: BucksvilleFatboy]
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09/22/15 10:12 AM
09/22/15 10:12 AM
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bill
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I'm not making this personal but Carson isn't my candidate. I would vote for him but he isn't my top choice. What I was pointing out was that you've had numerous opportunities to take Obama to task on several constitutional issues but I think your party affiliation precluded you from doing so. However, one opinion by Carson, who never said it should be illegal, got you to make a stand. Somehow, I don't think it was Carson's opinion as much as his party that bothered you. Btw, I didn't take your comment personal.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: augustus_65]
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09/22/15 11:03 AM
09/22/15 11:03 AM
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bill
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I could care less if he is a Republican, Libertarian, Democrat or card carrying Communist. The fact that I hold an elected office has no bearing on whom I support for any other office. I will reiterate my view that I am opposed to demagoguery in any form regardless of party. So, out of all the egregious constitutional violations by the Obama administration and Hillary, this is the issue you chose to take a stand against? You haven't felt the need to weigh in on any of those issues? The fact you are an elected democrat plays no part in your indifference to Democrats assault on the constitution and your willingness to speak against Carson's opinion? Not even his legal opinion but just his personal belief.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: BucksvilleFatboy]
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09/22/15 11:26 AM
09/22/15 11:26 AM
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Simpleman
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I'm not sure what you are referring to on the defense issue but Carson has stood his ground on the Muslim comment. He explained what he meant by it and even zinged the liberals for not understanding English the first time. The more I hear him talk, the more I like him.
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: augustus_65]
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09/22/15 11:28 AM
09/22/15 11:28 AM
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bigt
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The Constitution is very clear on this point, there are no religious requirements to hold office in the United States. That isn't a partisan issue. I'm just wondering if you hold democrats to the same standard. If they voice their opinion on issues that the constitution addresses, do you hold them to the same standard? There have been plenty of opportunities for you to chime in on some of their past statements if you do. You may have but I must have missed it. I see you never answered this. I'm not trying to get people to gang up on you but I want you to be honest in the conversation. I don't think you are, even if your can't see your own bias. I'm sorry I didn't have an opportunity to respond within your time frame. I have been in Court all day. I have mentioned neither Islam nor party affiliation in either of my responses. I questioned why he would give a response to a loaded question that is easily addressed by citing Article VI. I'm not attacking Dr. Carson, but clearly you have taken it that way so I will elucidate my position. I hold all politicians and political candidates to the same standard when they resort to political demagoguery, be it in the form of race or religion. I had a great deal of respect for Dr. Carson prior to this remark as he had remained above the side show demagoguery of Donald Trump. Trump tells people what they want to hear, just like Wallace, McCarthy, and myriad other politicians who have seized on heated political topics to further their own careers. Unfortunately I don't have time to call out all the presidential candidates of both parties for all the BS they spew. I have not made a single post in favor of nor in opposition to any presidential candidate of either party during this election cycle, but for some reason you seem unnerved when anyone questions your candidate. I have not commented a single time on any of your voluminous political posts for this very reason. Why are you so concerned when someone points out the Constitutional inconsistency of your candidate? Everyone likes to say he is just giving his opinion. Everyone has an opinion but not everyone is running for President of the United States. He must be held to a higher standard. Before now he had the opportunity to be viewed as a statesman who refused to get into the mud with his opponents, but now he is no different than Trump whom you so vehemently oppose. Since when does the constitution take away a person's right to an opinion? smh
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: paulfish4570]
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09/22/15 11:30 AM
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bigt
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carson is a knee-buckler on defense, and a waffler on his muslim comment after the liberal media comes on hot. he is off my list of preferred nominees ... Do you have Links to either of those two topics to show you are not just talking without facts?
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: augustus_65]
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09/22/15 11:31 AM
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I could care less if he is a Republican, Libertarian, Democrat or card carrying Communist. The fact that I hold an elected office has no bearing on whom I support for any other office. I will reiterate my view that I am opposed to demagoguery in any form regardless of party. I am beginning to see why our court system is so screwed up......
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: bill]
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09/22/15 11:40 AM
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Southwood7
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I could care less if he is a Republican, Libertarian, Democrat or card carrying Communist. The fact that I hold an elected office has no bearing on whom I support for any other office. I will reiterate my view that I am opposed to demagoguery in any form regardless of party. So, out of all the egregious constitutional violations by the Obama administration and Hillary, this is the issue you chose to take a stand against? You haven't felt the need to weigh in on any of those issues? The fact you are an elected democrat plays no part in your indifference to Democrats assault on the constitution and your willingness to speak against Carson's opinion? Not even his legal opinion but just his personal belief. Crickets.... I was going to defend carson against the short sighted attack but now that I know he is an elected democrat I see no point. In my opinion carson is a great man who answered a loaded question honestly and thoughtfully. Why would America want a Muslim to be the president??? It absolutely matters.
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life. Job 33:4
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: bigt]
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09/22/15 01:18 PM
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augustus_65
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I could care less if he is a Republican, Libertarian, Democrat or card carrying Communist. The fact that I hold an elected office has no bearing on whom I support for any other office. I will reiterate my view that I am opposed to demagoguery in any form regardless of party. I am beginning to see why our court system is so screwed up...... We can agree to disagree. Big t you are welcome to come join me in court in Lowndes County any time. You know I was born and raised in Turnerville and graduated from Citronelle high school.
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: augustus_65]
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09/22/15 02:04 PM
09/22/15 02:04 PM
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oakachoy
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Since all the candidates like to hold true to the Constitution, I guess Dr. Carson overlooked Article VI which states, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The best response to that question would have been to quote Article VI and move on. No good can come out of getting into whether a person of any particular religion should be precluded from holding any office. One of our founding fathers, Samuel Adams would have agreed with his statement. Taken from excerpt “doctrines”–or teachings–of a given religion are “subversive of society.” Adams contended that religions “are excluded from… toleration” when they “teach doctrines subversive of the civil government.”
WM Hunter "Trump literally sacrificed himself, his family and all of his businesses for this country. He literally is a true American hero. And True American Patriot - warts and all."
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Re: Carson and Islam
[Re: BucksvilleFatboy]
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09/22/15 03:02 PM
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paulfish4570
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during the first debate, he said he would not have invaded afghanistan, and, in fact, advised W not to do so. he remains conflicted on geopolitics. he should not have explained to anyone in the major media what he really "meant" on the muslim thing.
paulfish4570 Joshua 1:9
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