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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1386027
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I don't think many people were feeding much corn 10 years ago when the turkey population disappeared from my place. We haven't had birds since Hurricane Ivan took most all of our timber.


Grandma said...Always keep a gun close at hand, you just never know when you might run across some varmint that needs killing...
Re: is corn to blame? [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #1386130
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Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted By: BC
Originally Posted By: hawglips
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: hawglips
Originally Posted By: BrentM

Maybe if states rights stuff ever comes to a head we can at least make PCP the turkey czar of Alabama or maybe even the southeast.


But I am concerned that he'd make me shooting a fall hen a hanging offense....


Charles Kelly would send a MOSAD hit team after you....


Maybe if I could talk PCP into appointing me as his deputy czar I could convince him to go easy on the hen killers....



That office already belongs to me when PCP is appointed. grin


I believe I put a stipulation on that appointment - you have to convert to an Auburn man first. Once you do that, the job is yours!



Well shoot...... I'm out.

Good luck in your new position Hal.


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-- Archibald Rutledge
Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1386162
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corn ain't got shitt to do with any turkey decline in Alabama.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1386188
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Lock the thread.....captain aflatoxin has spoken!

Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1386207
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I'd reply to yer dumb ass but I have you on ignore.....


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1386211
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You have me on ignore.....,and still can't resist the urge to reply.

And of course back to the cursing and name calling.

Pull the strings and watch him dance!

Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1386368
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BC, you are passing on a job that would pay you a 7 figure salary, let you hunt in every state, hunt from March thru June, make a fall trip to New Zealand to see what we can learn by killing a bunch of their feral turkeys, and then do nothing the rest of the year. You would pass on that just to avoid saying, "War Eagle" ?

You understand we gotta put up a united front? And what did uat ever do for the wild turkey anyway?

smile


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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1386595
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War Eagle!.... War Eagle!....War Eagle!.....

There! I put my application in!


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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #1386620
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Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
BC, you are passing on a job that would pay you a 7 figure salary, let you hunt in every state, hunt from March thru June, make a fall trip to New Zealand to see what we can learn by killing a bunch of their feral turkeys, and then do nothing the rest of the year. You would pass on that just to avoid saying, "War Eagle" ?

You understand we gotta put up a united front? And what did uat ever do for the wild turkey anyway?

smile



I'm going to have to rethink that then. wink


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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1387969
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PCP: this killing stuff for long periods of time and in far off places has me interested and re-thinking my current employment options.

And if if helps, I graduated from AU.

WAR EAGLE!!!!

Hey you are still gonna let me put out corn, right?


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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: Avengedsevenfold] #1387992
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I graduated from UAB. Their little brother syndrome is three times as bad as Auburns. That's almost like graduating from Auburn, right?


"Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters."

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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: BC] #1388041
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Originally Posted By: BC
I graduated from UAB. Their little brother syndrome is three times as bad as Auburns. That's almost like graduating from Auburn, right?


No. No, it isn't. smile

Poor Uab. Its the only school in the country where their own trustees want them to fail.

A7F, you gotta change your way of thinking. There will be no need for corn once I am the Czar. smile

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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: crenshawco] #1388428
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Originally Posted By: crenshawco
I think a lot of people are trying to pinpoint exact causes of population declines, but I think it's a variety of factors that range widely in different regions of the state. All the aforementioned causes play some role, but I think spring weather has a greater impact than any of them.

And, to quote Cletus from a previous thread,

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And one more thing.......for any population:





I'm more inline with this thinking. I've heard of several bird species that cycle. I know we seen numerous poults early and then after all the rains very few poults.

I know of one area that used to hold numbers of birds that no longer does. Used to see 2-3 flocks with 50-75 birds almost always in the fields against the wood line. Lot's of corn piles and chicken liter used in the area.

There was a club that used to corn them up that had what most would think to be terrible turkey habitat. Basically natural regrowth hardwoods that were 10-12 years old. I killed birds in similar habitat just down the road. Seems the birds actually use that habitat more than thought of, at least in that area.

Lot's of gobblers killed in clear cuts thru 2 yr old pines and drains around here.

I'm sure further studies will be done.

This past year the birds just didn't gobble, towards the end of the season we kinda felt jakes were the problem. They were gobbling sporadically and had several groups whoop lone gobblers.


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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #1389094
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Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher


A7F, you gotta change your way of thinking. There will be no need for corn once I am the Czar. smile


Negative Ghostrider. There will ALWAYS be a need for corn. Always.

Tell em Matt, what the two answers to all of the world's problems are. Tell em.


***** Just to clarify this particular topic, I am absolutely not in favor of dumping out a bag of corn and then sitting in a pop-up blind and murdering him over said pile of corn.....well, unless they deserve it. In that case....

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Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1390391
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I do not believe corn is the reason for turkey decline. If there is a decline, it seems to be in north Alabama and southern Tennessee.

I have been saying for several years that the population was going down. I do believe it will go back up eventually.

I no longer worry about asking the guys that have power in either Alabama or Tennessee, neither one of them care or even think there is a problem.

Re: is corn to blame? [Re: btbab10] #1390418
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Originally Posted By: btbab10
I no longer worry about asking the guys that have power in either Alabama or Tennessee, neither one of them care or even think there is a problem.


Who would you be referring to? The state agencies?

Re: is corn to blame? [Re: btbab10] #1390529
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Originally Posted By: btbab10


I no longer worry about asking the guys that have power in either Alabama or Tennessee, neither one of them care or even think there is a problem.


Yep, professional biologists have no idea what they are doing nor do they care slap

Strange they dedicate their lives to working/conserving the natural resources for the benefit of everyone.

Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1391011
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Matt Brock and Nighthunter, excuse my ignorance, and I am being real, no typical aldeer sarcasm or bull.

Inform me please. Besides the restocking of turkeys in north Alabama, what else has the state done to promote turkeys in North Central and northwestern Alabama?
Turkey hunting isn't a culture or way of life up here for many, simply because there were no turkeys here until about 1995.

I just think they could do a better job of teaching people and hunters about turkeys and turkey habitat. All of the focus is in the southern portion of the state.

Again, excuse my ignorance.

By the way, I am still loosing respect for whoever makes the rules to liberalize baiting rules even more.

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I mean, could you name specifically on if or when anything will be done or is being done? Specifically in Limestone and Lauderdale county?

Perhaps I could even put forth some helpful insight. I do anything could can to help there be more turkeys?

Re: is corn to blame? [Re: hawglips] #1391022
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I'll start and Matt will probably add to it...

For starters we have a Turkey committee that works with several other states to stay on top of turkey issues. Currently there is research taking place throughout the state on turkeys, and yes in north AL. I am not going to dive off into the weeds on the research. I am not on the turkey committee, so I only know a little about it.

I do know there were stakeholder meetings a few months ago strictly on turkey in your district.

We also have a Technical Assistance team, which I am over, that will come out and assist landowners in all kinds of management. If you want assistance in turkey management, great, or heck we will come out for deer, quail, and even songbirds if that is your thing.

Our staff is here to help. Whether people believe it or not, we do know what we are doing wink Some may not agree with some things in the past or even now, ok, I get it. Don't let that get in the way using the valuable resource that is available to you. I think if you find some folks that have been in contact with Matt or myself you'll find that we try very hard help folks meet their goals and hopefully they will tell you we provide a quality service. I sure feel like we do...

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