OK PCP you have sparked my curiosity...exactly how do you pull your bow back?

>>>lighten up on the poundage.<<<

Its already down to 55. I could drop to 50, and may try to do that. I'll have to buy all new arrows if I do that.

>>>OK PCP you have sparked my curiosity...exactly how do you pull your bow back?<<<

LOL- the same way I've been pulling it back for the past 33 years. But on my old bows, I could just yank it back anyway I could. The new ones, apparently, have to be babied to keep them quiet. Its one thing to ease it back when practicing at the range, but something different when its 35 degrees and you've got on a bunch of clothes and you are 25' up in a climbing stand.

The thing is that I can draw 55 lbs and get it back ok; I just can't ease it back consistently and keep it quiet at that weight.

I think I'm gonna start looking thru pawn shops for a bow from about 10 years ago that just used wheels. They won't make noise even if you have to yank them. Or maybe I can learn to manage the Matthews. I've got a long time before 10/15. so no hurry.

Have you ever considered that by jerking it back your motion is easier for a deer to notice ?

I don't think I'm really jerking it; I'm just not pausing to let it ease back as the cam rolls over. Its the same way I've drawn a bow all these years and not had the problem of deer hearing it like I did this year. I killed 2 does in one afternoon a few years back with my old PSE bow that were right under the stand. Arrowed one and she went down in sight, so I killed the other one too. That bow was slower than the Matthews, but it didn't make a sound no matter how I drew it back.

I just got the DXT a few minutes ago and pulled it back 7 or 8 times. I was able to do it quietly a couple of times; maybe with enough practice I can learn to do it well enough to get by.

Sounds like you should be hitting the gym this summer.
My daughter can draw a 55# bow ...

LOL - She ain't an old man either. I could give you a list of my ailments that make it hard to pull a bow, but that wouldn't generate any sympathy in this place.

Hmmm...You have me stumped. I can surely feel for you and your noise problem. I'm a quiet compulsive too when it comes to my bow. I'm sure it weighs in on your confidence with the bow. My Switchback has had the buss cable retainer clip making a popping sound before, but as Shaw mentioned you can put the bow in a press and turn the clips to allevaite that noise.
I do know of a guy that had a limb making a noise at a certain point in his draw and it turned out to be an internal delamination of the upper limb. No outward visible evidence of any damage what so ever. Maybe something you should consider, but if it happens on every bow you draw maybe it's your joints squeaking...LOL.
I've had to lower my draw weight each of the last couple of years to feel comfortable hunting. I'll be ordering some 60lb limbs soon. I'm just thankful that I don't have to draw with my knees,because that would really make some noise.

>>>I do know of a guy that had a limb making a noise at a certain point in his draw and it turned out to be an internal delamination of the upper limb. No outward visible evidence of any damage what so ever. Maybe something you should consider, but if it happens on every bow you draw maybe it's your joints squeaking<<<

Shaw has checked the bow and said its in excellent condition and there's nothing wrong with it, so I gotta believe the problem is just me. I'm gonna take it around with me this next week and get a lot of different bow hunters I know to pull it; I want to see if they can get it back quietly. I'm guessing that most of them can't, but we'll see.

Thanks again for all the help.

I laugh with you, not at you ... I got ligament damage in both knees, along with arthritis in both hands, both knees and both shoulders.
Spending countless hours in a gym, for several years when I was younger, more than likely contributed to the ailments.

I'm not reading through all the posts. A Mathews that clicks at draw usually means you have a loose or not properly seated screw on the cam, funky twists on the buss cable tilting the cam, or cracked limbs.

Nope, none of that Dan. That's what I thought. The sound he's talking about is the sound the cam makes when it hits the back wall at full draw.

I wonder if the cam is machined right then....cam groove slightly narrower than required?

Nope. Everything on the bow is fine. It's hard to explain, especially in print. He's used to drawing a wheel bow with 50% letoff. As you know, an older wheel bow has a spongy back wall. He's basically building up too much momentum when the bow drops into the let off and hitting the back wall too hard. If we ever get together and shoot a round of 3D I'll show you.

okie doke.

At least I've learned a lot of bow lingo in fooling with this thing. I was always happy to leave the bow in the closet, then get it out and practice with it 3 times a week in the 2 months leading into bow season, hunt a few times during bow season, then put it back into the closet. So I haven't really kept up with all the latest advancements and features. Maybe I can explain it a little better now.

I've get several good bowhunters in my church, so I carried the bow today and got them to look at it this afternoon. I got 3 guys to look at it, all 3 have killed deer on my place with a bow. I drew it back the way I normally draw a bow and they all 3 immediately heard the noise and said they understood why I was scaring deer off. After they looked it over and agreed they didn't see anything wrong with it, I got them to pull it back just as if they were about to shoot a deer.

1st guy is about 6'4", 250 or so, and plenty strong. He pulled it back and the bow made the same noise, though not as loud as when I did it. He said he thought he could get used to it and learn to draw it quietly with a little practice.

Next, I gave it the guy that is by far the most experienced bowhunter in the group. He hunts with his even during gun season, and has made several trips out west with his bow. He's a good hunter too; kills bucks on the Coosa WMA and is the only person to kill a rack buck with a bow on my place in the last 20 years. He is only 5'8", but he is strong and uses a Bowtech set on 70 lbs. He drew mine back and it was louder than when I drew it. He said that he likes to pull his bow back into the wall hard, just as I do. I asked him if he could hunt with my bow, and he said, "no way." He says his Bowtech doesn't make a sound when he hits the wall hard.

Last, I gave it to the muscle man. He is 6'3", 240, works at a gym, and is solid muscle. He knew what was going on by then, so he eased it back and didn't make a sound. He said it would be no problem for him to hunt with my bow and that's the way he normally draws one.

So I'm starting to understand what the problem is, and what the solution might be. I'm used to a bow with a soft wall and a wide valley, and the DXT has neither. I'm used to pulling the bow hard into the wall, and the DXT is gonna make noise if you do that. I hope I have used the correct lingo in describing this. Solution seems pretty simple - out the door it goes. I guess I'll be testing a Bowtech this week. If anybody has a suggestion for a certain brand and a particular model that meets my criteria, please post it.

Let me say that I'm in no way bashing Matthews, as I know they are great bows. I am very close to the end of my bowhunting career, and I'm too old to learn to shoot all over again. It will be easier to just find a bow that fits my style and compensates for the flaws in my form. Thanks again for all the help, and a special thanks to Shaw for looking at it.

EDIT: Looking around on the internet the last few minutes, it looks like the Bowtech models have a hard wall just like the Matthews. Does anybody know of any bow made now that has a softer wall? Also, looking back into old forums from 7 or 8 year ago, it looks like a lot of folks were having problems making the transition from wheel bows to the single cams. So my problems aren't unique; I'm just years behind everyone else.

PCP, you ought to go see Mike Bennett, let him set you up a few bows to try out.
He's got that indoor range and Mike has been very helpful.

My Hoyt Trykon is so quite I've actually had folks, standing beside me, who said if they hadn't heard the arrow strike the target, they wouldn't have known I'd even made the shot.

Now, I'm not marketing a Hoyt, in particular, other bows have some better features, some don't.
One that fits YOU and feels comfortable to YOU is always the best choice.

Thanks Outback. One of the guys at church already said he would take me to see Mr. Bennett. Just finding time to go is the problem.

I've been new bow shopping lately. I shoot an old Pearson Spoiler cam and have been looking to modernize. I have noticed what you all are describing as well. I can tell you this. I shot a Bowtech Assasin...It did it (made a "reeck" noise). A Martin Firesomething, A Hoyt CRX32(Mr. Ennis at the archery shop said the CRX32 was upgraded to stop this problem) and a Mathews Z7 extreme...They did not. FWIW.

I'm beginning to wonder if I'm deaf ! My LX doesn't make any noise and my slick tricks don't whistle. I keep seeing people complain about both making noise. I've even seen people complain about their whisker biscuit making sounds. Maybe I bought a bunch of mutes. hehe

The LX, Outback and Ovation all have a draw stop with a rubber bushing on the cam. It will not make the sound.