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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: Tru-Talker] #928267
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Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
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I wish I knew the answer to that... We have killed 40 longbeards the past three years...13 in '11...13 in '12 and 14 in '13... We have killed 16 this year...Which is 56 over four years...Thats a lot of turkeys... Over these past few years...every October and November we continue to see 10..12..15 longbeards in groups... I have been wondering if we have been hurting the population.... But it doesn't seem so... I hope it continues to stay this good... But as long the numbers continue to show up in the fall...I see no need to cut back on the killers...



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I think we are going to drop one this coming year...Too many killers... Guess I will have to start from the bottum up... grin



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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928269
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Based on what I know, it is very hard to kill off all the mature gobblers on an area. As we all know, pressured birds get hard to kill or tend to move off where there is little or no pressure. However, if you want to hear a lot of turkeys gobbling next year, you better not kill all of the adult birds. If you do you will have to rely on "this" years jakes to be next years gobblers and your amount of gobbling will be DIRECTLY related to each years hatch. Some years great and some years non-existant. I try to kill one of each place I can hunt so I don't have to worry about it. grin


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: YEKRUT] #928274
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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
I wish I knew the answer to that... We have killed 40 longbeards the past three years...13 in '11...13 in '12 and 14 in '13... We have killed 16 this year...Which is 56 over four years...Thats a lot of turkeys... Over these past few years...every October and November we continue to see 10..12..15 longbeards in groups... I have been wondering if we have been hurting the population.... But it doesn't seem so... I hope it continues to stay this good... But as long the numbers continue to show up in the fall...I see no need to cut back on the killers...



Y'all need anymore members?



X2 smile


I think we are going to drop one this coming year...Too many killers... Guess I will have to start from the bottum up... grin



Somebody bout to get cut up in here! smile


rofl


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928279
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I'll throw this out there... I dont think you can kill out your birds. I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.

That being said...

I've been privileged to hunt the same piece of property for 10 years. In that time frame I have not seen a year that we did not kill at least 45 gobblers.
Last year we took 75 gobblers off of this property, and this year has been as good as always.

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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: teamduckdown] #928292
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Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


Hell no.... My season would be over in a week..two at most... They are too fun to hunt...Three ain't enough...Especially if you have the land to carry it...And I do....


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928296
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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: Tru-Talker] #928298
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Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


Hell no.... My season would be over in a week..two at most... They are too fun to hunt...Three ain't enough...Especially if you have the land to carry it...And I do....


Well it's just all in how you think of turkey hunting. Myself, I can get just as much fun out of em without pulling the trigger. Dont get me wrong, as long as the limit is 5, my goal is 5, but I wouldnt have an issue with 3.


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: Tru-Talker] #928301
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Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


Hell no.... My season would be over in a week..two at most... They are too fun to hunt...Three ain't enough...Especially if you have the land to carry it...And I do....



You will do well traveling out west at some point. smile


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928302
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I know ya'll are not going to tell where your hunting. So, I will ask how many acres are ya'll killing all these birds on?


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: Big Rack] #928306
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Originally Posted By: Big Rack
I know ya'll are not going to tell where your hunting. So, I will ask how many acres are ya'll killing all these birds on?




Jackson county is where most of them are at. smile


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: YEKRUT] #928309
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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


Hell no.... My season would be over in a week..two at most... They are too fun to hunt...Three ain't enough...Especially if you have the land to carry it...And I do....



You will do well traveling out west at some point. smile


That is my next destination.... Not like it would be any different from here... somewhat.... smile


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: Big Rack] #928315
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Originally Posted By: Big Rack
I know ya'll are not going to tell where your hunting. So, I will ask how many acres are ya'll killing all these birds on?


1800 acres...With a background of 27,000... and 3200 of it with little to no access... which we back up to...


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: teamduckdown] #928326
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Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I'll throw this out there... I dont think you can kill out your birds. I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


You usually have sanity and value in your posts... The above is the worst, narsisitic, self centered, rediculous, reasoning for changing a limit. There is NO biological reasoning to your concept, only "well, I would be happy with and don't need more than 3 so I don't think anyone else needs more than 3 either." In all honesty, no one cares what you would be happy with, but what scares me is the other folks that think it might be a good idea to set limits on critters based on what they think would be "fair" for us all (I.e. The legislature). I had thi same discussion with our previous director when the limit was changed from 6 to 5 with NO biological data nor reasoning!! My .02 grin


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928338
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DuckDown if you don't think it's possible to kill them out why would you be in favor of reducing the limit?
And yes, realistically I need more than 3.

Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928339
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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928365
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If I've seen 10 different jakes and I kill 10 birds (2 or older) then I would have no worries. All about good hatches and good habitat. Same scenario, Kill 10 birds and have a bad hatch and you might be struggling for the next year or two. Have two or three bad hatches and your done for a while. No way I would ever want to kill 100% of the adult (2 year old and older population). In theory you would start the next season with only 2 year old birds. Kill 100% of those and repeat year after year and you'd never have any 3+ year old beards. Obviously not going to ever happen like that but we personally have a limit on our farm with the objective of leaving at least half of the gobblers. We kill a lot of older birds doing this. Actually kill 3 to 4 older birds to every one 2 year old killed. Also gives us a few birds to hunt if we were to have a year or two of bad hatches.

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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: Tru-Talker] #928378
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Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


Hell no.... My season would be over in a week..two at most... They are too fun to hunt...Three ain't enough...Especially if you have the land to carry it...And I do....


I just killed #3 and would hate to think I was done. smile I'd be proud to kill 2 or 3 a season, or even 1 some seasons, but I always shoot for 5.

Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: gobbler] #928383
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Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I'll throw this out there... I dont think you can kill out your birds. I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


You usually have sanity and value in your posts... The above is the worst, narsisitic, self centered, rediculous, reasoning for changing a limit. There is NO biological reasoning to your concept, only "well, I would be happy with and don't need more than 3 so I don't think anyone else needs more than 3 either." In all honesty, no one cares what you would be happy with, but what scares me is the other folks that think it might be a good idea to set limits on critters based on what they think would be "fair" for us all (I.e. The legislature). I had thi same discussion with our previous director when the limit was changed from 6 to 5 with NO biological data nor reasoning!! My .02 grin



What's the biological reason for having a Fall season?


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: N2TRKYS] #928408
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I'll throw this out there... I dont think you can kill out your birds. I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


You usually have sanity and value in your posts... The above is the worst, narsisitic, self centered, rediculous, reasoning for changing a limit. There is NO biological reasoning to your concept, only "well, I would be happy with and don't need more than 3 so I don't think anyone else needs more than 3 either." In all honesty, no one cares what you would be happy with, but what scares me is the other folks that think it might be a good idea to set limits on critters based on what they think would be "fair" for us all (I.e. The legislature). I had thi same discussion with our previous director when the limit was changed from 6 to 5 with NO biological data nor reasoning!! My .02 grin



What's the biological reason for having a Fall season?


The question should be is there a reason NOT to have a fall season. Most of the southeast was fall hunting for most everything since the fall is "harvest time" and when there is usually an abundance of critters. FOlks decided they liked chasing gobbling birds and things changed, but killing fall turkeys is usually biologically sound, just like killing all species is biologically sound in the fall when there is an abundance of young of the year. This certainly is true when fall turkey hunting is "gobblers only" as it is in Alabama. THere is NO biological reason NOT to have a fall turkey hunting season, so I support having one whether I hunt in the fall or not. If someone wants to kill 5 in the fall why should I tell him he can't?


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: YEKRUT] #928421
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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: Big Rack
I know ya'll are not going to tell where your hunting. So, I will ask how many acres are ya'll killing all these birds on?




Jackson county is where most of them are at. smile


Yep. Jackson County.

I just think three in a state is enough. I dont have any data to back up why I feel that way. I just enjoy hearing turkeys and fooling with them. A successful hunt to me doesn't have to end with a kill. Dont get me wrong, I like whopping a head as much as anyone, but it seems everyone these days is all about the kill numbers and are getting a little greedy.

...and gobbler you're starting to sound like 49er


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