Aldeer.com Forums Alabama Deer Talk Serious Deer Talk Forum Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching

On monday Dec 20, 2010 I killed a deer that I had been hunting since the season started. I put out camera's before the season and got pictures of this deer in early OCT. On tuesday Dec 21, 2010 I had this deer at my place of business in the middle of town letting all my friends look at it. On the evening before when I was getting ready to move the deer I completed the harvest record that I was given when I bought my Lic. About 12pm on tuesday my buddies and I watched the GW drive by my car lot several times. My friend Brian told me that the GW was looking for me. So we sat there and waited till SHE found me. OFFICER DEBRA DIXON. She pulled up in front of the building got out and I immediately walked over to her. She asked who's truck that was. She ask who's deer that was. I told her that both were mine. She went over and looked a my deer. Ask for my LIC and Harvest record. I gave them to her. She immediately told me that I was in violation.

I had my lic. and I had the piece of paper that walmart gives out THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE TO BUY A LIC.

Well I filled out the wrong one. And that meant I had a dup.

So I was in violation. NOT the reg states that I have to being doing this for the purpose of avoiding the requirements of this regulation.

I CLEARLY WAS NOT. THERE WERE 15 PEOPLE THERE LOOKING AT THIS DEER. 2 NEWSPAPERS HAD CAME AND WROTE A STORY ON IT. I HAD IT OUT IN PLAN SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.

Yes I made a mistake. But I was not in violation. If I had been trying to get out of writing it down. I would have just given her the dup. and told her I was hunting on my own land. Or I would have told her that I killed it in another state. Which I have Lic in 3 other states.

I told the simple honest truth. And she found a reason to ticket me.

I will be going to court. And I will be asking for a Jury Trail. And I will find out if She is on Commission.

Oh and for all of you that think I deserve this ticket. If you have a hunting pamplet with you or in your truck. YOU HAVE A DUP. HARVEST RECORD.

SHE SCREWED UP ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE. I HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING. I TWO AM A VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORP. 6 YEARS 2 WARS.

I AM STARTING TO HAVE DISRESPECT FOR OUR GW'S

Stuff like that pisses me off, Most people that hunt and fish are good people, Wardens should not be looking for a reason to give a ticket to an honest person for a honest mistake. However, if we had tags that had to be fixed to the antlers it would eliminate alot of this confusion.

fact: you were in violation by having TWO harvest records
fact: you cannot get a jury trial in District Court. You can plead not guilty and a Judge will decide a verdict. If guilty you can appeal the case to Circuit Court and ask for a jury trial. You can skip the District Court trial by "stipulating to the facts" to the DC Judge and appealing the case right off.
fact: "she" is NOT on commission, no GW is.

I'd a thought a warning would of got the job done there, but I wasn't there either so my opinion dosent count.

troy

Yea Fred, I guess by the letter of the law I was in violation. But by the spirit of the Law I was not. And If you read the law. I was not in violation. It clearly states that I have to be doing this to avoid the requirements of this reg. READ IT.

This man knows what he is talking about.

well I want to hear what everyone thinks. I thought that GW Fred would see it that way. I am a big boy. LET ME HAVE IT. IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG LET ME KNOW. I can tell you that I don't have much money. But I will spend all I got defending myself here.

I was saying Fred was right about what the law says. I would recommend getting a lawyer and fighting it. You can have a trial in front of the Judge in District court, if you lose, appeal to Circuit Court and ask for a Jury Trial.

Yea I know Fred is right about what the law says. I can tell you that every hunter I know has a dup. IF YOU HAVE THE BOOK you have a dup.

What gets me is that, I was so proud of this deer. I clearly would have done nuthing to screw up this kill. I knew the game warden was looking for me. IF I HAD KNOWN I WAS DOING SOMETHING WRONG I HAD PLENTLY OF TIME TO FIX IT.

So she just wrote the ticket to be a JERK.

ALL HUNTERS ARE NOT OUTLAWS. I AM NOT A OUTLAW. AND I AM MAD ABOUT THIS TICKET.

I have read em for a living.....

read it yerself, this time slower, and up yer reading comprehension.....

it is a violation to POSSESS two harvest records...period. You were in violation of this part.

it is a violation to provide false information in order to circumvent the requirements of the regulation...from what LITTLE I personally know of this incident it dosen't look to me like you tried to circumvent the regulation.

I'd a felt a warning would of worked here.

troy

FACT: WARDENS ARE A-HOLES.
FACT: WARDENS LIKE WRITING TICKETS
FACT: WARDENS MAKE MISTAKES
FACT: SOME WARDENS ARE GOOD
FACT: FINDING A GOOD WARDEN IS VERY HARD IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE

I've been saying that since they started that joke of a "tagging system". It's unenforcable and only applies to the ethical, honest hunters that make every effort to obey all laws.

It sounds as though you were trying to do the right thing.
I hope if I'm ever in that situation, I get stopped by Andy instead of Barney.
You broke the law and she felt the need to enforce it to an extreme.
I hope you win!

So you are telling me that because I keep my state regs book in my truck with the harvest record and the one that comes with the license in my wallet that I am in violation of the law?
Well in that case I figure about 95% of us are in violation without even knowing it.Seems like that is sorda being set up for a ticket.If that is the case I believe the one in the book should not be in there.

So sorry to hear about this. I've said it before, but the only people this law will ever catch is a guy that makes a mistake in his paperwork. The real outlaw can easily figure out how to get around it. One of the main reasons I wanted the Barbour Co rule instead of a limit was that it would avoid situations like this. But that ship has sailed, and now we have the criminals still killing all the bucks they want, and a few honest guys that make a paperwork mistake get a ticket.:(

Yes, If I had been a outlaw. I would tell the gw that I shot it on my own land and never gave her my lic. then I could kill as many as I want to. Get a new form and shoot them up again.

This is the kind of shiiiiit that makes you disrespect the gw. She knew I did nothing wrong. She just wanted to be a jerk in front of a bunch of guys. She is not even assigned to my county. She was looking for me to write me a ticket. PERIOD.

...because we all know that only the guilty and people with bad moral judgment end up in court or come in contact with the wildlife officials.

Keep drinking that Kool-aid.



Sorry for the issues your having, I am also battling a run in with a biologist.

thats the key, getting checked by those with good judgement. I have found in most cases when dealing with women in a position of authority, they push things to extremes...kinda like Barney.

ok, this is why we need clarification here, because neither the original post nor any of the follow up posts are clear on **exactly* WHAT TWO PIECES/ITEMS OF PAPER the victim ( Mr. Gillaspie) was charged with being in possession of! It kind of sounds like the two pieces of paper were the one attached to the license when the license is purchased and another harvest record like the one that can be printed off the DCNR website and copied.

Will someone make this perfectly completely clear please!

I cannot imagine that anyone would be or could ever be charged with being in possession of two harvest records where one of them is the small magazine style reg. book handed out for free at WalMart that has a sample harvest record form on one of the pages??????

I had my Lic and harvest record attached. I also had a harvest record that looked exactly like the one on the back of my Lic. That is the one I filled out. Dumb mistake.

When I bought my lic. at walmart. Clerk handed the Dup. to me and told me to make sure and fill it out if I shot a Buck.

I had two harvest records. I filled out the wrong one. What I should have done was fill out the one on the back of my Lic. OK I WAS WRONG. I did not do it to cheat the system. I just did not know any better. (again my fault)

What I am saying is tho. I got sited for having two harvest records. EVERYONE HAS TWO if you have the pamplet.

The governor says to use the form in the pamplet. He says that in the front of the book.

LOOK I WAS WRONG. I KNOW THAT. But I was not trying to cheat the law. the law states and I quote

Paragraph 6. "It shall be a violation of this regulation to obtain, possess, or utilize duplicate harvest record forms, or to provide false information on harvest record forms, for the purpose of avoiding the requirements of this regulation."

I clearly was not doing it for the purpose of avoiding the requirements of this regulation. EVERYONE WAS AT MY WORK LOOKING AT THIS DEER.

Sounds like one problem was listening to the person who works at Walmart.