Fred, i completelty agree. I wasn't saying bullet placement, even with the wrong bullet would get the job done, satifactorily. If you'll look back at my post, i said with a rapid expanding bullet. Your bullets should be designed for whitetail deer, rapid expansion. Bullets for heavier game, have delayed expansion and IMO, should not be used on deer. I too, like the double shoulder shot to drop bucks in their tracks.