CNC, I've read a lot but not all of what you've written and I have a question about applying the technique on a couple of plots here at home.

I planted Milo earlier and it did good. I limed and fertilized when disc'ed for planting the Milo. Just small spots here 2ea 1/2 acre spots.

I bush hogged the milo and the ground is not really hard, but I have a lot more earth than you are showing.

I bought two diffent types of seed mix, the pennington Rackmaster Elite and the high dollar Biolgic perfect Plot mix, Biologix Deer Radish Mix.

What would you guys say, disc before planting, Planting and as light as i can disc to cover seed. Or Disc and sow seed? Or if the ground is not real compacted just let the seed rip, I don't have complete organic's on top of the spots?

What are the main seeds in the first two....Isn't it a lot of small seeded brassicas?

Something I noticed about using this method was that it did the very best in areas like are shown in the pics where I had a nice duff layer of hay. I did this same thing in some other areas where I didn't have all the hay and it did not do nearly as well. The hay made a big difference with the germination of my entire mix.

That being said though....the little seeds like turnips will just about come up anywhere. I'll have to take some pics but something else I did this year was to take 10 lbs of turnip seed, load it in my bag spreader and just walk around my property lightly spreading it into every sunny spot I could find. I wanted to see where all it would come up by just letting seed fly and nothing else. I've now got turnips sprouting EVERYWHERE....They sprouted in leaf litter, underneath patches of dying pokeweed, in trails, underneath oaks, etc..etc...We'll have to see how well they ultimately do in those spots but as far as just germination goes it was a success.

Thanks, Your place looks great! guess I'll disc again until I can get the proper coverage.

I think I'm going to try it this year. I sprayed a month or so ago and got a good kill, lots of crabgrass. I'm going to spread the rye, wheat and oats and drag over the top of the dead grass with an old gate a few times and see what happens (get the seed down before the dang turkeys get it). It is suppose to rain a bunch in the next few days, in a couple of weeks I'll put out some Ammo-Nite.