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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: CNC]
#656737
08/22/13 04:37 PM
08/22/13 04:37 PM
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Tuscaloosa Co.
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Tuscaloosa Co.
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Either way, I may have to try the no-till method this year. It don't look like it's gonna dry out to get equipment on it. If so, I'll let you know how it turns out.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: N2TRKYS]
#656758
08/22/13 04:50 PM
08/22/13 04:50 PM
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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Either way, I may have to try the no-till method this year. It don't look like it's gonna dry out to get equipment on it. If so, I'll let you know how it turns out. A couple weeks ago it finally dried up enough at my hunting club that I could drive in without walking the whole way to check on our summer plantings. It didn't last a week. I talked to the landowner a week or so after that and he said his rain gauge was literally overflowing. Many of us will be in that same boat with you I believe.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: CNC]
#657675
08/23/13 03:39 PM
08/23/13 03:39 PM
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Marshall County
FurFlyin
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Furflyin....I think the reason some people see deer eat a certain plant and other don't is a combination of a couple factors:
1) How much natural food is present in relation to the deer population. Deer will eat many things but prefer some plants to others. If there are a lot of deer and little food then they won’t be as picky. They will eat what they have to in order to survive. In contrast, if there is lots of food and few deer, then they will pick and choose what they want and need, being more selective. Its kind of all just relative.
2)To some extent I think the type and fertility of the soil plays a role in how palatable a plant may be. That being said, I think some plants can reach a palatable state more easily than others under less than ideal conditions while others may require a different growing environment to reach a fuller potential and become more palatable to the deer.
As an example....BSK's soil, probably having a higher natural CEC than mine, might just be able to hold more N than my soil and therefore wheat is able to grow better....so in turn its more palatable and he sees the deer eat it, while I see them ignore it. It might just be one slight difference in the growing conditions that keep it from really being an apples to apples comparison.
I tend to not buy the notion that we each have deer with vastly different taste buds even though I do recongize that they have different natural diets as you move around the country. I instead think that its something to do with other factors that we might just be unaware of.
So what do you attribute them not eating turnip greens and barely eating rape in the same field with kale and diakon radishes that get eaten to the ground? All of which were planted in the same field with wheat, buck forage oats, rye and AWP's. The AWP's haven't been eaten much either. I plant salad bars. I mix my own stuff. I haven't planted turnip greens in the past 2 years because the deer on our place won't touch them. The mix I've planted the past 2 years: Per 2 acres: 100 lbs of wheat 50 lbs of rye 50 lbs of buck forage oats (because they are the same price as forage oats here and are very cold hardy) 50 lbs of Austrian Winter Peas (or Whistlers) 5 lbs of rape 5 lbs of kale 5 lbs of diakon radishes 10 lbs Crimson Clover 600 lbs of 15-5-10 (300lbs per acre) Lime as needed every other year I usually plant 5-6 acres on our farm with that recipe in the fall. This fall I will only plant 1 1/2 acres. The other "food plot" ground is covered in a luscious stand of Alfalfa.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: CNC]
#657691
08/23/13 04:03 PM
08/23/13 04:03 PM
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 7,891
Monroe County, AL
deadeye
14 point
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14 point
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Monroe County, AL
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I dont think it really matters - wheat, oats or rye - just hit it with 100 lbs/acre of N about mid/late Dec and watch the action.
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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: FurFlyin]
#657708
08/23/13 04:24 PM
08/23/13 04:24 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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Like a thick plot do we Fur, that's a bunch of seed per acre!
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: 2Dogs]
#657715
08/23/13 04:30 PM
08/23/13 04:30 PM
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Posts: 39,472
Marshall County
FurFlyin
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Freak of Nature
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Marshall County
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Like a thick plot do we Fur, that's a bunch of seed per acre! That's 2 acres worth. I didn't divide it in half cause I didn't want folks asking where I was buying 25 lbs of rye or oats.....  Also, as you know, we don't have as many deer around here as most parts of the state, so if I plant it thick it, for lack of the proper term, stunts the plants. Even after fertilizing it and getting the nutrient levels up, it keeps it from getting too mature and tough.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: FurFlyin]
#657726
08/23/13 04:35 PM
08/23/13 04:35 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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I know your mix is for 2 acres. I did divide in half, lota seed per acre.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: POLL QUESTION: Wheat or Cereal Rye
[Re: 2Dogs]
#657901
08/24/13 04:00 AM
08/24/13 04:00 AM
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Marshall County
FurFlyin
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Marshall County
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I know your mix is for 2 acres. I did divide in half, lota seed per acre. It is, but it's done exceptionally well for me. My soil has improved exponentially since I've been planting it for food plots. I turn the biomass under every spring before planting summer plots on it. It's improved the soil despite not no tilling.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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