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Which trees to hinge cut??? #651747
08/17/13 01:50 AM
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Should I himge cut undesirable tree like sweet gums or should it be pines, oaks or what?? Thanks!

Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651810
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Are you talking about TSI(timber stand improvement) or types of cuts?


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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651818
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I don't know anyone in the Southeast that hinge cuts. That's more of a Mid-West, woodlot thing to create bedding areas. Most places in the South there's no shortage of bedding because of large timbered acreages. True logging creates the bedding, in many cases too much of a good thing.
The guys from mid-West and "up North" talk about it often over on the QDMA web site.
However, if I were doing it I'd do less desirables like Gum and Hickory.

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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651830
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I have a pretty large tract that I hunt that is all old hardwood. I prefer to hinge undesirable trees for bedding cover. Its not a bad thing to hinge a few oaks here and there. The tree will continue to grow for several years if you hinge it right and will provide deer with both cover and food at ground level. As 2dogs said, if you have cutovers on your property hinging is not very important except for funneling deer travel, which can work very well.


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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: cdcrosshunt] #651840
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Originally Posted by cdcrosshunt
I have a pretty large tract that I hunt that is all old hardwood. I prefer to hinge undesirable trees for bedding cover. Its not a bad thing to hinge a few oaks here and there. The tree will continue to grow for several years if you hinge it right and will provide deer with both cover and food at ground level. As 2dogs said, if you have cutovers on your property hinging is not very important except for funneling deer travel, which can work very well.



Be careful with hinging/thinning in hardwoods. It can significantly lower your timber value.


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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651860
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Hinge cutting is a management tool that can serve several different functions and be used in multiple scenarios. It can be used to:

1) Provide instant cover in the understory
2) Increase woody browse
3) Create a bedding area
4) Manipulate deer movement
5) Provide visual barriers
6) Edge feathering

Any number of different species of trees can be used depending on the scenario and the desired goals that one is trying to achieve. However, some species do better than others depending on what your individual goals may be for an area. Sometime you have no choice but to use what is present.

Each specie of tree has its own individual characteristics that may or may not be able to achieve some of our goals listed. Sweetgums hinge well and can offer good instant cover but offer very little in the way of adding woody browse. Oak species like water oak are great for hinge cutting because they create an instant feeding station. Every single water oak I’ve hinged has been heavily browsed. However, they can be a little more finicky about breaking off when trying to hinge as compare to sweetgum, Species like pine will not hinge at all and will only snap 95% of the time. The tops can still be used for other goals though like numbers 3,4,5 on our list.

Before:

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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651869
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More hinging....This is about as large as I would try to hinge. This is actually pretty big to be hinging. Try to keep it to smaller trees that are easy to handle. Most of the larger trees I've done already had a good lean to them.

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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651870
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You have to look kind of close to see the hinging but in this scenario I used hinging to force deer to enter my field at this one particular spot......conveniently 25 yards from my ladder stand.

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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: CNC] #651897
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CNC, you ever have a tree "barber chair"? eek



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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: 2Dogs] #651933
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
CNC, you ever have a tree "barber chair"? eek


Yep...I've had a big tree do it before but I was well back away from it when it did. Scary to think what might happen if you got caught still standing there watching it fall.


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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651957
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I've thought about doing it at our place, but just to get rid of as many hickory trees as possible to make more room for the oaks. Also would create some sunlight and a little cover in some other wise pretty wide open areas. I wouldn't personally hinge cut anything of value (monetary or deer) but that's just me.

2Dogs is fortunate enough to have about as ideal cover/ transition areas, edges, etc. as one could have in mnt type terrain so I could see no reason he would need to do it. For others, who historically have cut mixed timber every 25 years unfortunately have a problem of not enough cover so hinge cutting could be advantageous. That being said, the best long term plan is to implement a TSI program so you always have scattered sections of thick cover.

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Originally Posted by CNC
Hinge cutting is a management tool that can serve several different functions and be used in multiple scenarios. It can be used to:

1) Provide instant cover in the understory
2) Increase woody browse
3) Create a bedding area
4) Manipulate deer movement
5) Provide visual barriers
6) Edge feathering

Any number of different species of trees can be used depending on the scenario and the desired goals that one is trying to achieve. However, some species do better than others depending on what your individual goals may be for an area. Sometime you have no choice but to use what is present.

Each specie of tree has its own individual characteristics that may or may not be able to achieve some of our goals listed. Sweetgums hinge well and can offer good instant cover but offer very little in the way of adding woody browse. Oak species like water oak are great for hinge cutting because they create an instant feeding station. Every single water oak I’ve hinged has been heavily browsed. However, they can be a little more finicky about breaking off when trying to hinge as compare to sweetgum, Species like pine will not hinge at all and will only snap 95% of the time. The tops can still be used for other goals though like numbers 3,4,5 on our list.

Before:

[Linked Image]

After:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


#7 would be to leave room and allow more nutrients to go toward desirable trees.

Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651968
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Thanks guys!!!

Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #651992
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This gives you some idea of how much the deer like the stump sprouting that occurs even when the hinge may be unsuccessful. Maple is a highly browsed specie.

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Oak browsing from stump sprouts

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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #2366036
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CNC, do you still have these pictures anywhere?

Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: Joe4majors] #2366038
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
CNC, do you still have these pictures anywhere?

X2 I’d like to see them as well


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Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #2366142
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Hinge cutting in closed canopy hardwoods can be very beneficial. As discussed, you have to be careful. Jim Ward, the youtube guy got a tooth knocked out while here working with us a few years back.

Re: Which trees to hinge cut??? [Re: lsw] #2366993
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I created a 1 acre bedding area in a hard to get to southern slope. Within a year or two deer were bedding in it. It provided some horizontal cover in a vertical world. It was all hardwood, mostly hickory, mountain oak, sourwood and black tupelo.

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