I heard it was ALFA insurance and its elite team of the assassins behind the night time murder of deer.

Did they have a permit?

Yea, but it was written with invisible ink.

Like I said, I like to make my own choices and choose my own methods.

You're not the first one I've run into that gets mad because they don't agree with my methods and I don't choose theirs.

Some day, someone with a conscious might actually show up down there and be convinced to honor their oath to support our constitutional form of government.

If you get tired of reading my posts, don't read my posts... and quit following me around the forum like you're addicted to me or something... or is this not about the NAIL?

Somebody else might want to learn stuff about the law. If you don't, then go read about some of the other junk.

I guess some people feel the laws dont or shouldnt apply to people employed by govt. Sounds like a bunch of libs on here defending overreaching done by government.

I'm with 49er on this one. I think it's complete bs. These permits they give out to shoot does at night in the summer is just outright wrong. There is no legal statute to allow one person to hunt out of season, at night, and then to just kill and leave laying that's a totally different can of worms.

Is this how they teach students at Auburn U to discuss issues that are important to people?

We're talking about killing game wastefully when the season has been closed to hunting as well as the legal ramifications of the methods used to "collect data" by those who are charged with enforcing the same laws they are violating.

Is your whole purpose of joining this discussion only to ridicule us for being concerned about that?

How about pointing out why you defend the practices instead of allowing more hunting opportunities as a solution to the problem or working with our legislature to eliminate conflicts with the law when legitimate purposes are invovled.

Do you have no problem committing perjury in order to use a depredation permit? Should depredation permits even be issued if the law does not provide for them?

Do you agree that feral swine and coyotes should enjoy the benefits of being classified as protected game animals and then allowed to be hunted illegally with the permission of those who are charged with enforcing our game and fish laws?

These are all valid questions that should be open for debate without baseless interference to the discussions.

Crop depredation permit question...... What are farmers suppose to do when deer are eating their Soy Beans? Should deer be treated like Ground hogs and shot pretty much anywhere, anytime they are in a bean field causing 1000s in damage?

Is the hunting season closed before those beans are planted?

Are the bag limits lower than they should be for that area?

The law allows for local adjustments when they are necessary:



If herds of deer are destroying crops, I doubt if it would be necessary to shoot deer at night to conduct fetal surveys in order to make decisions on when to open or close the hunting season or to determine how low or high bag limits should be set.

Those beans are planted after deer season closes but during ground hog season. Don't see what planting time has to do with it.
2 does a day Oct 15- Jan 31. You saying you want open season year around,both sexes for deer?

Doing fetal surveys and crop depredation are 2 different issues IMO.

Is that what it would take to fix the problem in that particular county or area?

Local conditions determine when seasons are to be set and how high or low bag limits should be the way I read the statute.

I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Fetal surveys are not necessary to protect and conserve the species. That has been proven during the past 75 years.

It is important not to confuse wildlife management with conservation issues.



Can anyone show us how depredation permits came from this statute?

Would appear the DCNR/WFF are killin' two birds with one stone. Getting data that most are screaming they don't have and need, while helping the farmer with crowd control. Win Win.
That data may very well prove useful setting seasons and bag limits.

Do you have any data to support that assumption?

Have the functions and duties of the Department been changed by law to reflect the will of the majority of voters?

The law already allows the commissioner plenty of room to conduct all the fetal surveys he wants on WMAs statewide as "he desires".



That statute is as old as the Department.

2dogs,


Six seasons after a 98 percent reduction in the bag limit for male deer? How does that work? It seems to be a little bit backwards to me.

You know, some people take up golf or gardening or travel and see the world when they retire. I'd just as soon die the day I retire than to scour the inter web day after day looking to pick a fight with the State of Alabama.


I certainly don't like the liberal rules involved with depredation permits. The local farmer around my place has just about cleaned out our heard but my fight for enjoyment verses his fight to save his crop is futile. As Futile as 9er's fight with all things DNCR related. Good luck Eddie.

So you have no problem with the hunting season closing and then letting the farmer do the slaughtering instead?

Should we just shut up and not talk about it?

Gotta go get ready for church now. Carry on guys. We can fix this.

You know I don't have a hard number. You also know if I took the time I could find plenty posts just on aldeer about lack of data. Recon what I'd find if I did a survey at the "deer shows" this summer. Don't pettifog.

Who knows, all this data collecting, DCNR might adjust the buck bag limit upward.

I am not a fan of the crop damage permits. If a farmer needs his deer herd reduced he should open his land for public hunting through the use of permits and have as many deer as the law allows and is needed to be killed. That way everyone wins the farmer gets his deer killed, people get hunting access and the meat is not wasted.

So we should let hunters( farmers are hunters too), hunt them year around, both sexes with no bag limits.