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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Hogwild]
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03/20/13 01:52 PM
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Now, we are STILL in the same muck, mess and mire that we were/are.
Who is going to define 'Area'???...
Hogwild, we agree on most things when it comes to hunting and a lot more when it comes to life, but have to disagree with you on this. Your comment is a false straw man argument. We are NOT in some "muck, mire, mess". To the contrary, every human being is capable of knowing if they are using corn or some other pour out, dump out etc. substance to attract deer to an area or location in order to kill them. Game wardens do too. They are not stupid. If someone is so silly (or devious) that they need a definition of "area" then it should be one where all reasonable minds could agree that the corn is not and cannot be used to kill deer. And that would be my 500 yard proposal. Regards.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Hogwild]
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03/20/13 05:36 PM
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WmHunter, ... If someone is so silly (or devious) that they need a definition of "area" then it should be one where all reasonable minds could agree that the corn is not and cannot be used to kill deer. And that would be my 500 yard proposal.
Regards. The real question is why do we need this law at all? Who can define the compelling public interest that is important enough to be worth all this confusion and injustice?All we've seen thus far are people who simply don't agree with others being allowed to hunt with the aid of bait. Danny has no reason to lie about his experiences. I believe he's telling the truth. Archie Phillips was not lying about his experience, and he didn't deserve to be prosecuted for something he didn't do. Neither do hundreds of other hunters who have fallen or those who still may fall victim to this ridiculous money trap.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Hogwild]
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03/20/13 06:17 PM
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The most reasonable thing would be to either make feeding legal, or illegal, and quit beating around the bush!!!! Feeding was already legal and so was baiting, it was just NOT in the form that everybody wanted, much easier to pour it out of the bag than to plant it and let it grow and continue to feed the wildlife after the season goes out. But that is obviously to hard for some to understand, or more likely requires effort. Now the baiting, excuse me, feeding is good for gun hunters but not for bowhunters, so why can't they say it only has to be ten yards from away and out of sight from the bowhunter?????????????????????? Sad when egos, ineptitude and searching for the lowest common denominator of effort and skill defind "hunting"!
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
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03/20/13 08:04 PM
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The most reasonable thing would be to either make feeding legal, or illegal, and quit beating around the bush!!!! Feeding was already legal and so was baiting, it was just NOT in the form that everybody wanted, much easier to pour it out of the bag than to plant it and let it grow and continue to feed the wildlife after the season goes out. But that is obviously to hard for some to understand, or more likely requires effort. Now the baiting, excuse me, feeding is good for gun hunters but not for bowhunters, so why can't they say it only has to be ten yards from away and out of sight from the bowhunter?????????????????????? Sad when egos, ineptitude and searching for the lowest common denominator of effort and skill defind "hunting"! I am afraid that you are a little too full of yourself this afternoon. Feeding is legal. Baiting is illegal. NO possible way, but the current Law, that feeding can be legally done on the same property as hunting under the current Regs.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Hogwild]
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03/20/13 08:16 PM
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NO possible way, but the current Law, that feeding can be legally done on the same property as hunting under the current Regs. Sure, it can. Depends on the game warden's discretion.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Clem]
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03/20/13 09:01 PM
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NO possible way, but the current Law, that feeding can be legally done on the same property as hunting under the current Regs. Sure, it can. Depends on the game warden's discretion. It's up to the GW's first, then the Judge. Seems we keep forgetting about him.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Hogwild]
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03/20/13 09:02 PM
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The most reasonable thing would be to either make feeding legal, or illegal, and quit beating around the bush!!!! Feeding was already legal and so was baiting, it was just NOT in the form that everybody wanted, much easier to pour it out of the bag than to plant it and let it grow and continue to feed the wildlife after the season goes out. But that is obviously to hard for some to understand, or more likely requires effort. Now the baiting, excuse me, feeding is good for gun hunters but not for bowhunters, so why can't they say it only has to be ten yards from away and out of sight from the bowhunter?????????????????????? Sad when egos, ineptitude and searching for the lowest common denominator of effort and skill defind "hunting"! I am afraid that you are a little too full of yourself this afternoon. Feeding is legal. Baiting is illegal. NO possible way, but the current Law, that feeding can be legally done on the same property as hunting under the current Regs. Just stating what should be the obvious! I believe you are of the opinion that a foodplot is baiting, correct?? If that is the case them baiting is already legal, just not in the form that one might believe is an easier way, correct?? You can plant a field of corn and not harvest it and it is a foodplot and be bait, correct?? Again it is just not the easy way, correct?? So baiting is already legal, correct?? It's just that many people want to kill the most and biggest deer the easiest way, correct?? Again the unending search for the lowest common denominator of effort and skill to kill a deer.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Hogwild]
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03/20/13 09:45 PM
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SO, your stance is that baiting is legal....if YOU agree with it.
That is not the way the Law is supposed to work.
Sorry!
Nope, not my stance at all. If a person considers a foodplot "bait" then baiting is already legal, it's just not the way that some folks want to bait because it takes effort. Hence, their never ending search to do it easier. Feeding deer during the deer season is NEVER about the deers health it is about killing deer and killing deer only!! Show me one person that thinks that deer can only survive in Alabama when they are feed during deer season and I will show you a person that sales "deer feed", deer corn or any other "feed" gimmick to make money on the "hunters". Like the commercial says "gotta level the playing field", seems like the liberals use that same slogan to take from the doers and give to the lazy, funny how it fits in both instances isn't it??
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: LIOJeff]
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03/20/13 10:12 PM
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It it passes and reads like it does so far I think I will wait a year or so before I try it. Game wardens sometimes don't use common sense in my opinion. I know of two cases in specific that I remember. A few years ago a friend of mine had a small lease near Andalusia with 3 food plots. Early in the season he invited a friend to go up with him. As they left the truck he reached in the back seat and picked up an old jacket from the past season as it was cool. As they walked to the plot he found a handful of pecans in the pocket. He started cracking them as they walked, and every one he cracked was rancid. When they got within sight of the plot he pointed out the ladder stand to his friend. He cracked another rancid pecan and threw it and two more on the ground. About 4:30 a game warden walked into the plot with his friend, checked the license and then told him he was getting a ticket for baiting, the three rancid pecans he had dropped on the ground, about a $470 fine. Another friend told me he, his grandson and a friend went to his small lease this past year with 3 food plots in January. They had put a camera on the edge of the plot with a half sack of corn in September and did not see any remains of the corn after a few days. The game warden went in to check them about 4:00 and he ask about them taking pictures of any good deer. He pointed out the area they had the camera and corn in Sept. The game warden literally sifted the dirt for several minutes before he found one black mostly rotten kernel, another $470 ticket. IMHO those two tickets should have never been written.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Fun4all]
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03/21/13 05:28 AM
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SO, your stance is that baiting is legal....if YOU agree with it.
That is not the way the Law is supposed to work.
Sorry!
Nope, not my stance at all. If a person considers a foodplot "bait" then baiting is already legal, it's just not the way that some folks want to bait because it takes effort. Hence, their never ending search to do it easier. Feeding deer during the deer season is NEVER about the deers health it is about killing deer and killing deer only!! Show me one person that thinks that deer can only survive in Alabama when they are feed during deer season and I will show you a person that sales "deer feed", deer corn or any other "feed" gimmick to make money on the "hunters". Like the commercial says "gotta level the playing field", seems like the liberals use that same slogan to take from the doers and give to the lazy, funny how it fits in both instances isn't it?? I consider my plots legal bait. They serve two purposes, high quality food and attractant. A high quaility plot, surrounded by good cover and not over hunted is a well proven bait, IMHO. What's "goofy" about the whole thing to me is you can "feed" and stay 100+ yards away and out of sight and be legal, then after "feed" is gone move closer and it's magically "bait". And this could all depend on the GW to write it and then a Judge to interpret another way. 
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: timbercruiser]
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03/21/13 06:58 AM
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It it passes and reads like it does so far I think I will wait a year or so before I try it. Game wardens sometimes don't use common sense in my opinion. I know of two cases in specific that I remember. A few years ago a friend of mine had a small lease near Andalusia with 3 food plots. Early in the season he invited a friend to go up with him. As they left the truck he reached in the back seat and picked up an old jacket from the past season as it was cool. As they walked to the plot he found a handful of pecans in the pocket. He started cracking them as they walked, and every one he cracked was rancid. When they got within sight of the plot he pointed out the ladder stand to his friend. He cracked another rancid pecan and threw it and two more on the ground. About 4:30 a game warden walked into the plot with his friend, checked the license and then told him he was getting a ticket for baiting, the three rancid pecans he had dropped on the ground, about a $470 fine. Another friend told me he, his grandson and a friend went to his small lease this past year with 3 food plots in January. They had put a camera on the edge of the plot with a half sack of corn in September and did not see any remains of the corn after a few days. The game warden went in to check them about 4:00 and he ask about them taking pictures of any good deer. He pointed out the area they had the camera and corn in Sept. The game warden literally sifted the dirt for several minutes before he found one black mostly rotten kernel, another $470 ticket. IMHO those two tickets should have never been written. I would have taken both these to court. I have a friend that had a similar incident with corn. GW checked him, he was in a shooting house. GW walked up and whistled to him to come down. He was so nervous (just his personality) that he left gun and orange hat in the shooting house. GW sifted dirt and found a couple of old molded pieces of corn from way back in August (this was December). He started writing the ticket, my buddy tried to reason with him. At that point, the GW asked "where is your orange" buddy told him it was in the shooting house. He then wrote him a ticket for no orange. This was Tallapoosa County
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Hogwild]
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03/21/13 01:51 PM
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The most reasonable thing would be to either make feeding legal, or illegal, and quit beating around the bush!!!! More false straw man argumentation. Feeding is legal for deer and always has been. You just can't hunt near it when the feed is corn or some other pour out substance. The example involving your father in law is the fault of the landowner who should not have put corn baited hog traps next to his foodplots, and should have warned your FIL not to hunt that spot. The first of the other two examples is a gamewarden problems not law problems. If a clarification of law was in order for that situtuation it would be that a person has no responsibility over someone else's property. Most gamewardens already go by that. The second situation the gamewarden is right to say you cannot start a hog hunt at a corn bait station. Yeah, they ought to make it legal to use any kind of bait for hogs and coyotes as they are a nuisance.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
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03/21/13 04:22 PM
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The most reasonable thing would be to either make feeding legal, or illegal, and quit beating around the bush!!!! More false straw man argumentation. Feeding is legal for deer and always has been. You just can't hunt near it when the feed is corn or some other pour out substance. The example involving your father in law is the fault of the landowner who should not have put corn baited hog traps next to his foodplots, and should have warned your FIL not to hunt that spot. The first of the other two examples is a gamewarden problems not law problems. If a clarification of law was in order for that situtuation it would be that a person has no responsibility over someone else's property. Most gamewardens already go by that. The second situation the gamewarden is right to say you cannot start a hog hunt at a corn bait station. Yeah, they ought to make it legal to use any kind of bait for hogs and coyotes as they are a nuisance. Still no definition of the "compelling public interest" that is involved when people hunt with the aid of bait. All this confusion over hunting in a manner that never really affects the interest of the public much at all. On the other hand, abuse of authority by officers who arbitrarily and capriciously interpret and enforce laws and rules is certainly a matter of public interest that should be properly addressed. I view the shenanigans involved in the enforcement/lack of enforcement of the statute to be far more unethical than the act of hunting over bait itself.
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