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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/27/13 01:07 PM
02/27/13 01:07 PM
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just randomly shooting dogs that happen to cross a painted line is not the proper answer and should have strong consequences.
Agree but neither should rise to a level of a felony (I think that was your point also). Felony shootings should only apply to people, not animals. We have to resist the efforts of the animal worshipping crowd to exalt animals to the same level of people.
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/27/13 01:34 PM
02/27/13 01:34 PM
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Are you scared of a debate, Danny? Still haven't bothered to answer a few simple questions...
I'll give you the advantage too. I'll only post questions if you will answer them honestly and truthfully.
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/27/13 02:25 PM
02/27/13 02:25 PM
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Why do you guys respect Laws that pertain to when, where and how you can shoot deer, but pick and choose the other Laws that are on the Books?
A deer is just an animal and people should be able to kill them anytime and anyway they want to, right? Silly comparison but.... Because men left to our own devices would decimate the herd. Hunting seasons are for conservation and herd preservation. I must have missed the dog season in my handbook. Bottom line...control your dogs and they wont get shot...period.
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: I_hate_poachers]
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02/27/13 02:35 PM
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A felony for shootin a dog is absolutely absurd. We already got to many stinking Bambi lovers out there. X2 This new law seems very subjective to me. Somebody had better be defining "good cause". Part of the proposed law reads as follows: "(3) Kills or injures without good cause any animal belonging to another." I can only think of the old South Park episodes where the old dude would yell "He's coming right for us" before he shot anything, no matter what it was. That way you can justify the shooting. ![grin grin](/forum/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif)
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/27/13 02:50 PM
02/27/13 02:50 PM
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"without good cause" is subjective, of course.
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Clem]
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02/27/13 02:56 PM
02/27/13 02:56 PM
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Bubba "I killed my girlfriend, what did you do" Dog Killer "I shot a dog, got 3 years" ![crazy crazy](/forum/images/graemlins/default/crazy.gif)
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Clem]
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02/27/13 02:59 PM
02/27/13 02:59 PM
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"without good cause" is subjective, of course.
I don't think the bill is subjective. The "good causes" are specifically set forth in the original statute, which I quoted above in this thread. The "Applicability" section is actually a list of exceptions. If the situation fits an exception that is listed, then you had "good cause". Also worth noting is that the proposed bill does NOT intend to supercede or replace the existing statute. The bill, as written and explicitly stated in the language of the bill, only amends a particular section of the statute. It does NOT replace it, and therefore the exceptions/applicabilities will still stand.
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: bamachem]
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02/27/13 03:09 PM
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After briefly reading through it, I believe it's reasonable to assume that you will be comitting a felony if you shoot another mans dog because it crosses over your property line.....IMO
Do I think that's right? NO
Do I think that's what will happen? YES
If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/27/13 03:22 PM
02/27/13 03:22 PM
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All the dog shooters might want to look into this one.
Are all dogs the same? linkBut, I thought that I had read on here numerous times in the past that coyotes DON'T chase, catch, kill or even harass adult deer. I bet he was after a mouse or mole that was near the deer. She probably winded you and ran!!!!
LOL
Good job. But, it really does aggravate me that people waited until later, than sooner, to realize what an impact that yotes are having on the deer herd. They are not going prey on them to the point of extinction. But, it does require some radical changes to out harvest strategies!
You advocate the shooting of a coyote that is chasing a doe out in the open, but argue that shooting a dog that was doing the same exact thing is against the law. Before you say that Coyotes are not the same as a domestic dog, they are in the same Genus category. They can interbreed. They are the same except one is domesticated and the other is not. The coyote (Canis latrans) is a member of the dog family.
FAMILY CANIDAE (Extant and recently extinct species) Subfamily Caninae True dogs - Tribe Canini Genus Canis Canis lupus (2.723 Mya to present) Domestic dog, Canis lupus familiaris Dingo, most often classified as Canis lupus dingo (sometimes considered a separate taxon) many other subspecies Coyote, Canis latrans (also called prairie wolf) Ethiopian wolf, Canis simensis (also called Abyssinian wolf, simien fox and simien jackal) Golden jackal, Canis aureus Side-striped jackal, Canis adustus Black-backed jackal, Canis mesomelas
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/27/13 03:28 PM
02/27/13 03:28 PM
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You are ignoring the SIMPLE fact that one is legal and the other is not! Danny, you are ignoring the simple fact that the law specifically allows a person to shoot a dog if it chasing ANY animal, including deer, on a property that is not the animal's owner. It's black and white. Are you a progressive liberal (loose interpretation of the law) or a conservative constituitionalist (strict interpretation of the law)? You can't have it both ways and be a conservative and ignore the exclusion in the statute.
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: bamachem]
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02/27/13 03:31 PM
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All the dog shooters might want to look into this one.
Are all dogs the same? linkBut, I thought that I had read on here numerous times in the past that coyotes DON'T chase, catch, kill or even harass adult deer. I bet he was after a mouse or mole that was near the deer. She probably winded you and ran!!!!
LOL
Good job. But, it really does aggravate me that people waited until later, than sooner, to realize what an impact that yotes are having on the deer herd. They are not going prey on them to the point of extinction. But, it does require some radical changes to out harvest strategies!
You advocate the shooting of a coyote that is chasing a doe out in the open, but argue that shooting a dog that was doing the same exact thing is against the law. Before you say that Coyotes are not the same as a domestic dog, they are in the same Genus category. They can interbreed. They are the same except one is domesticated and the other is not. The coyote (Canis latrans) is a member of the dog family.
FAMILY CANIDAE (Extant and recently extinct species) Subfamily Caninae True dogs - Tribe Canini Genus Canis Canis lupus (2.723 Mya to present) Domestic dog, Canis lupus familiaris Dingo, most often classified as Canis lupus dingo (sometimes considered a separate taxon) many other subspecies Coyote, Canis latrans (also called prairie wolf) Ethiopian wolf, Canis simensis (also called Abyssinian wolf, simien fox and simien jackal) Golden jackal, Canis aureus Side-striped jackal, Canis adustus Black-backed jackal, Canis mesomelas
one small little problem there , yote's are listed as a game animal and can be killed any time durning legal shoting hours
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Re: Alabama HB27
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/27/13 03:31 PM
02/27/13 03:31 PM
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No, Andy, that is not what it specifically says. That is your interpretation of what it says.
Last edited by Hogwild; 02/27/13 03:32 PM.
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