No way you get 30 land owners or clubs to agree on doe harvest. Big or small it doesn’t matter. One club may be seeing an excess of does while the one 2 properties over doesn’t see many deer at all. Pressure is not the same, deer densities are not the same, and thus opinions on what needs to be done are not the same. Heck you will get 5 different opinions in one 5k acre club 😂

FIFY

It wasn’t that hard to get a bunch of folks to shoot two does per day…..Just sayin

Of course it wasnt. People in Alabama love to kill stuff and will make any excuse to do so. It's the letting animals go, without shooting at them, that gives them a real problem.

For most Alabama hunters, killing deer is just like being an alcoholic. Alcoholics know that they have a problem that they need to address but they just cannot force themselves to stop drinking. Alabama hunters are the same way. I paid my lease dues, spent all this money on corn, or sat out here all day and I "need" to pull the trigger and kill something. Even though they are seeing less deer or not happy with what they are seeing, most are still going to pull that trigger on almost every deer they can. They just cannot help themselves. It's just firmly ingrained in their DNA.

No Sir!!! It’s all the non residents that’s killing all the deer. I refuse to put a pencil to what it costs me each season to kill the couple deer I usually kill. Especially this year because I only shot 1 deer!! That’s not why we’re there. Sure I love to deer hunt but I love the camp life way more. And that you can’t put a price on.

You're right Marsh. It's definitely you and your crew that are causing all the problems and shooting all the does and young bucks. You should be ashamed enough of yourself and your crew that you never come back to Alabama to hunt again.

I've had a bunch of big leases and run some big clubs. All joking aside, based on past history, I'd much rather have a bunch of out of state hunters beside me, than any club full of locals.

So it sounds like our goal population range should fall about right in there on the graph…..

https://www.msudeer.msstate.edu/deer-density-dependence.php#popgrowth

Here’s another fallacy I think a lot of people are believing while we got that graph up there…….Folks have always told us that if we manage population levels to the left of the peak MSY on the graph then your bucks are going to get more groceries so it’ll result in you killing bigger bucks with an extra 20-40 inches of antler on each one kinda thing…….It doesn’t pan out that way though in reality for most folks because cutting the number of bucks produced in half just insures that virtually none will make into older age classes….The idea of old bucks barely even exists for many much less folks worrying about them putting on a little bit of extra antler growth…… Even if one does make it to an older age class he’s likely a low end buck that’s made it through a bunch of high grading ….Most folks would have a better chance to kill a good buck or any buck for that matter if we produced the most buck fawns possible and had a population level goal like represented on the above graph…….