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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: Beer Belly]
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02/16/25 12:00 AM
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jwalker77
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Yeah, all that NATO talk got ukraine in a mess and cost them some land, not to mention all the dead folks and destroyed cities. Thanks bidun!
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: Ridge Life]
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02/16/25 12:51 AM
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jwalker77
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Gonna need those donations back, and part of what Z receives from Putin for the land transaction I doubt he bought it. Its a buffer. Not as big a buffer as all of ukraine but a buffer. I figure he knows ukraine wont keep their word, so hes taking a buffer from NATO. It would seem he expects they will break their word and join NATO anyhow or they kinda already have without the paperwork because the NATO countries are already fighting with them.
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: Beer Belly]
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02/16/25 08:00 AM
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Fattyfireplug
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Russian land grab is what it was. Neither party was a good guy. Russian is a bully and took something that cost them dearly. It's bad enough to loose the boots and hardware. Russias powerhouse reputation is also gone and won't be coming back. Nobody wants their military hardware now. Regardless of outcome, Putin and regime wish it never happened.
Ukraine was a nobody and is just a money launderer. I don't give a single damn what happens to them.
But it doesn't sit right that Russia gets to keep that land. My opinion only, is the borders should at least return to Pre-2020.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: Beer Belly]
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02/16/25 08:40 AM
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cartervj
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So is this a done deal or just a proposal
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: cartervj]
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02/16/25 09:19 AM
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jwalker77
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So is this a done deal or just a proposal If its a done deal, i reckon the war is over, huh? I watched some of the anti Trumpnews this week, to see what they were saying about it. They all, every one, acted like this would never happen and was absurd to even suggest such a thing, pretty much. All acted like what Trump proposed was just stupid. But thats retty much how they act about everything and i hope we get to watch Trumps plans and ideas fall into place one by one. I havent seen anything about this being a done deal but it sounds pretty much like what Trump was suggesting, after he had talked to putin and zelinski. I dont care either way, personally. Trump also said the US wouldnt be sending troops over there or fund the rebuilding. We would help. There will not be a deal or end to the war without ukraine joining NATO being taken off the table. If they dont agree to that, putin will just keep killing them. bidun should have stayed out of this and the war would never have even started.
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: Beer Belly]
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02/16/25 09:33 AM
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riflenut
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It'll never go back to pre-war boundaries. Our own incompetent foreign policy and the talk of bringing Ukraine into NATO led to this war.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: Fattyfireplug]
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02/16/25 09:37 AM
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Russian land grab is what it was. Neither party was a good guy. Russian is a bully and took something that cost them dearly. It's bad enough to loose the boots and hardware. Russias powerhouse reputation is also gone and won't be coming back. Nobody wants their military hardware now. Regardless of outcome, Putin and regime wish it never happened.
Ukraine was a nobody and is just a money launderer. I don't give a single damn what happens to them.
But it doesn't sit right that Russia gets to keep that land. My opinion only, is the borders should at least return to Pre-2020. I agree with your statement about Russia keeping the territory that they took without being provoked by the Ukrainian army. They invaded a sovereign country based upon a weak Europe and American leadership. I have nothing against the Russian people but the communist regime of Putin is a problem for us until he’s gone. I also think that the government of Ukraine should pay us back and not one penny of our tax dollars goes towards rebuilding the country. Let Europe pay for it.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran God Bless America!
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: riflenut]
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02/16/25 10:09 AM
02/16/25 10:09 AM
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jwalker77
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the talk of bringing Ukraine into NATO led to this war. Call it what you want to, this is why it happened. There wont be an end until this is corrected
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: riflenut]
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02/16/25 10:16 AM
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cartervj
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Russian land grab is what it was. Neither party was a good guy. Russian is a bully and took something that cost them dearly. It's bad enough to loose the boots and hardware. Russias powerhouse reputation is also gone and won't be coming back. Nobody wants their military hardware now. Regardless of outcome, Putin and regime wish it never happened.
Ukraine was a nobody and is just a money launderer. I don't give a single damn what happens to them.
But it doesn't sit right that Russia gets to keep that land. My opinion only, is the borders should at least return to Pre-2020. I agree with your statement about Russia keeping the territory that they took without being provoked by the Ukrainian army. They invaded a sovereign country based upon a weak Europe and American leadership. I have nothing against the Russian people but the communist regime of Putin is a problem for us until he’s gone. I also think that the government of Ukraine should pay us back and not one penny of our tax dollars goes towards rebuilding the country. Let Europe pay for it. It'll never go back to pre-war boundaries. Our own incompetent foreign policy and the talk of bringing Ukraine into NATO led to this war. The biggest AND for me is we promised to protect them if they gave up their nukes so they did and we let them be invaded. Weakness from our leaders caused this Yall can be all pissed off about corruption all you want. As yall are finding out Ukraine isn’t the only place money is laundered. Hate on the rest too. If Trump or some other president with a backbone had been in Putin never would’ve invaded. Instead with weak leadership they were allowed in and the laundering was on. It’s been pointed out by many in the middle it’s kind of a weirdness to the objections of standing with Ukraine by the right. Really weird by all accounts. The fever pitch is no different than any other projected group think.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: DryFire]
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02/16/25 12:06 PM
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cartervj
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The red part will be part of Russia by the end of 2025 & Ukraine will not be in NATO. ![[Linked Image]](https://c.ndtvimg.com/2024-08/ujkd5rl8_isw-map-on-russiaukraine-war_625x300_09_August_24.jpeg) Guess no one told Trump the majority of all those rare earth deposits are in Russian controlled territory. Especially around the Donetsk region. I’m wondered about that and figured it to be so.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: ShootemupTex]
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02/16/25 12:38 PM
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cartervj
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How many does are they shooting a year over there? Oh wait, whitetail can't swim an ocean, thus none of my business. Kind of but if you have kids and or grandkids it does matter. I don’t do there’s that. I’d like to hope and pray America last another 200 years or so.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: Beer Belly]
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02/16/25 12:46 PM
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I haven't seen anywhere that the above map is the final decision. Negotiations are just getting started so everything is still on the table as far as I can tell.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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Re: Grats to giving Russia part of Ukraine
[Re: cartervj]
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02/16/25 02:55 PM
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ShootemupTex
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How many does are they shooting a year over there? Oh wait, whitetail can't swim an ocean, thus none of my business. Kind of but if you have kids and or grandkids it does matter. I don’t do there’s that. I’d like to hope and pray America last another 200 years or so. Just like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan matter? I got nothing but respect for the brave men and women that serve, but the defense contractors, politicians, and parasite warmongers can meet me in hell. Trust me it doesn't matter. Unless you mean them sending all my tax dollars over there. Let em fight, let em kiss... none of my business. How do you think they got us into this mess? Letting the TV convince you it's important enough to send our money and kids over there to die. Nope, not happening, not my biz. I know a fella who supposedly went over there to volunteer when it kicked off. I wished him well but also told him the only way I was shooting a Russian was if they invaded Alabama. We got nukes, let it play out.
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