This is why all of that stuff about not knowing the number everyone else is killing and this and that…..yada yada….. doesn’t really matter……You don’t have to know all of that…..All we need to know is how many does we need to get folks “NOT to kill” where we go from stable or decline to population growth and control the flip of that switch……..That’s your buffer against the doe slayers and freezer fillers so that the overall population stays where you want it…..The over harvesting of bucks is another story though…..At least if you fix the doe issue then you know you’re starting with a buck population base that matches the potential of the habitat instead of populations that are way in under what prime habitat should be supporting……