Loopholes are ethical and legal, as that’s what they were put in tax code for. Scamming the system to get assistance is completely unethical. If you can’t afford to have kids, don’t have them.

If you need government assistance to live, I’m all for that. Scamming the system just to get extra money out of it is wrong on all accounts.

Actually there are many steps above this that nets hundreds of thousands per year in support.

“Woman” is deemed and unfit mother, grandparents become legal guardians, and DO NOT ADOPT because if they do they loose many benefits.

Doing what? Lying, cheating, scamming, having kids out of wedlock (AKA not getting married so they can draw my tax dollars)? If you can’t afford it then you don’t need it. It’s called being a Moocher. So JW are you supporting fraud? Sin? Theft is theft. If as you say they are working just as hard as you and me and still can’t make it then they are living the Facebook dreams and instant gratification and their lives will eventually crash. We the working people are having to pay for all of these people over living their means. I’m with Catcus , Globe and SouthBamaSlayer on this. People used to be embarrassed by being on government assistance but not anymore.

The longer the world goes - the dumber and more crooked it gets. I would rather be naive to most of this

My post pretty much said how i feel about it. How exactly is it fraud but if you go into the tax office and report yoir weekly paycheck but dont report your sode hustle money, thats not fraud? You go sell a load of scrapiron, you dont report it, thats fraud? You mow some yards for cash and dont report it, thats fraud? What about if your 16yo son mows some yards and dont report it, is that fraud? I reckon we report every gu we sell, dont we? Well, if you dont, thats fraud, right? But where is the fraud or illegal activity in a man and woman living together out of wedlock? And if theyre not married, where is the fraud if the woman gets whatever benefits are available. Explain to me how that is illegal or fraud. Now if you want to get into what the bible says about it, it would be sin just like that good buzz 2/3 of this sites members has right now. I did not say i agreed qith any of it. I said everyone gets all they can out of the govt. That is a fact. And every time somebody sees another fella getting more than him, that other guy is wrong for it. And if were gona talk about ethics and morals we should atleast mention all the laws that have been changed so our politicians can steal from us legally. Surely thats worth a mention. But that dont get talked about. What gets talked about is the poor folks just barely getting by. Now, if they dont work, they dont eat, thats bible. But if theyre working every day and exploiting every possible angle they can to come out better with our crooked govt, theyre no different than the giy living in the $500000 subdivision house or the suits making the laws to stick it to us. Everybody gets all they can and complains about what the other guy gets

I don’t disagree JW. I think all taxes is theft. I’m all for giving people a HAND UP not a HANDOUT. That’s where it differs. If you truly need the help then I’m not going to say anything. It’s there to assist you getting to a point where you don’t need it. I interpreted this whole thread about HANDOUTS not HAND UPS. big difference.

Most states that dole out assistance for children will require or pursue support from the noncustodial parent. It isn’t optional.

To the point of the post, though, if the state isn’t providing benefits for the children the scheme can work. And one that happens, occasionally, is the father buys a house and puts it in the section 8 program, and magically through the “system” his child’s mother becomes his tenant (and off the books, he moves in with her into his own rental house). So the housing is being paid for by the government, which pays his mortgage, so they all live for a huge discount (utilities only, basically).

That happens.

Im not for handouts either. And if waiting on somebody to hand you something is plan A, that pisses me off to no end. But marriage today is more about taxes and separation of property than it is honoring the Lord. Matter of fact, marriage and divorce the way it is in this country isnt biblical at all. I know theres some sorry folks just looking for an easy way but theres also plenty of hard working folks just trying to survive. Somebody has to do the $15/hr jobs, but you dang sure cant live on that. If you have a couple of kids, daycare will eat half of that. We have a broken system. It sucks. I dont know what the answer is. I just know everyone out there on food stamps aint proud of it. The Lord has blessed me greatly. Im not rich but i sure dont have to worry about money. Thats not the case for 90% of this country, and there was a time we lived check to check about a weeks pay away from needing some help.

Yup. Then they go a step further. The husband lives in the Sec 8 house, and cash rents his old house to the other baby momma who pays for that with the EBT discount. What eventually happens with these inter-laced government scams is that entire weird hybrid economies develop.
When Katrina happened, the Lower 9th Ward in New Orleans showed this.
Numerous lines for different hand-outs were created by the different federal, state, and local agencies.Churches and Charities got in the mix, and still to this day Katrina easy work jobs were made available. As soon as the different lines appeared they quickly figured out how to play one line off the other.

JWalker for someone who is on here spouting off continually about religion , your posts on this thread tell me you are totally full of crap, like most who continually bring up religion. Fraud is fraud and if you are not reporting income , no matter how you try to justify it , your a scum bag mooching off my tax dollar.

I believe that they take WAY too much of my money. It’s taxed at every turn. I try to hold on to it as much as I can. I don’t fault the next guy for doing the same. It’s legal robbery. The tea got dumped in the harbor for MUCH less.

They jacked up our insurance at school. They really hit the people on family plan hard. We had married couple in 50s. Looked and two singles was cheaper than family plan. So they got divorced just so they couple get on single plans. Only thing that changed they were not married on paper anymore

Buddy, i didnt say i agreed with it, i said it isnt illegal and everybody gets what they can, yes you too. And i even quoted a little bible and ill remind you again, that buzz is a sin just like what you are calling stealing. Youve twisted my words so you can cut me down. Thats what democrats do. Now go back and read what i really said and come back with a response that isnt a lie.

I get both sides of it. I think what JW is saying is that everyone tried to screw the government on taxes. Maybe not to the degree that these people are, but to some degree. Businesses do it all the time. Finding a way to label this company as this so they they don't have to pay taxes on something. If you are a married business owner, and you put the company in your wife's name so that you can get certain contracts only available to minority owned business, that a little shady, but not I wouldn't say it is fraud. I have a buddy that hates people abusing the welfare system, but when the federal relief funny comes down the channels he's the first one to make his business somehow qualify for it. Even though his businesses do perfectly fine.

I wouldn't blame the people that play the game. Blame the game.

You mean the government has incentives to keep people from making a committed family?!? No surprises there!

Seriously, from all appearances.... this is how many if not most Democrats handle business.

I'm about to get a divorce, and list my house as a section 8 rental to my wife I know that. That's freaking genius.

Look up Thomas Sowell and how the government (democrats ) destroyed the black families.

Angry again i see…yall must all drank from the same source

Sure is lot folks throwing first stone bout this subject .