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Re: The Bible
[Re: jwalker77]
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04/08/24 10:34 PM
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Alot of talk about versions of bible and men to listen to, not much said about the Spirit. I find that very strange. Without the Spirit, none of you will ever understand one word of any version of the bible. Funny how Jesus tried to teach the apostles spiritual things for years and they just never got it. 2000 years later here we are in a biblical debate, whos right and whos wrong and the Spirit is still being left out by those who appear to be the most knowledgable about God and his word and ways. Not much has changed. That everlasting water sure is good. Yall aught to get you a drink of it. Personally, i would take one ounce of Spirit over a triaxle load of knowledge. Patently incorrect. Jesus said in John 8:31-32 “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” No mention there of “needing the Spirit to understand it”. But… in a sense you are correct because 2 Peter 1:21 says the Holy Spirit delivered revelation to prophets who in turn passed it along to people. So… without the Holy Spirit there is no “word of God”.
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Re: The Bible
[Re: GomerPyle]
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04/09/24 05:05 AM
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cartervj
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...2000 years later here we are in a biblical debate, whos right and whos wrong and the Spirit is still being left out by those who appear to be the most knowledgable about God and his word and ways... Kinda reminiscent of the Pharisees arguing with Jesus...the people who were supposed to be the most knowledgeable teachers were the ones missing the point the most... People miss the actual messaging I think jwalker gets it or at least I’m in full agreement with with his interpretation
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: The Bible
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
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04/09/24 07:04 AM
04/09/24 07:04 AM
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Posts: 24,895 Buc-ee’s Beach Express
leroycnbucks
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It’s good that we have these discussions on our life’s journey of being a better Christian. No matter if it makes us mad or think that we know all the answers.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran God Bless America!
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Re: The Bible
[Re: cartervj]
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04/09/24 07:16 AM
04/09/24 07:16 AM
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poorcountrypreacher
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The question of why were some books included in the Bible and others weren't is not as difficult as many make it, IMO. The first 300 years of the church were spent in very difficult times of persecution - getting fed to lions and such. Nobody worries about the canon in times like that. Once the practice of the faith became legal, then it was something the various councils could address.
The general rule in evaluating a writing was if there was strong evidence that it was written by an apostle, or someone closely connected to one. They also wanted the books that the churches had been using; they'd had 300 years to determine that.
There wasn't any question about most of the books we have in the NT, and there wasn't any question about the obvious frauds. The ones that some call the "lost books" of the Bible were never lost at all. They were widely regarded as being pseudonymous, that is, written under a false name. Most of them weren't really attempts to deceive, it was just a style of literature back then. Anyway, excluding them was an easy decision.
There were a few NT books that required serious discussion. Here's where it takes a little faith in God that He was able to lead them to the correct decisions.
There are many translations, and everyone who uses them should understand that they are just translations. I believe that we have every word written in the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts. The problem is that we have some additional things added in places. Some of those came about by copying errors; a few were intentional. The job of conservative scholarship is to continue to strive to determine what the original texts said. I believe that they have done a good job of that. No major doctrine is in question.
Id worry about my own obedience to the Bible instead of the Bible itself. A good day to all!
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: The Bible
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
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04/09/24 07:20 AM
04/09/24 07:20 AM
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Re: The Bible
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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04/09/24 07:24 AM
04/09/24 07:24 AM
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2Dogs
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The question of why were some books included in the Bible and others weren't is not as difficult as many make it, IMO. The first 300 years of the church were spent in very difficult times of persecution - getting fed to lions and such. Nobody worries about the canon in times like that. Once the practice of the faith became legal, then it was something the various councils could address.
The general rule in evaluating a writing was if there was strong evidence that it was written by an apostle, or someone closely connected to one. They also wanted the books that the churches had been using; they'd had 300 years to determine that.
There wasn't any question about most of the books we have in the NT, and there wasn't any question about the obvious frauds. The ones that some call the "lost books" of the Bible were never lost at all. They were widely regarded as being pseudonymous, that is, written under a false name. Most of them weren't really attempts to deceive, it was just a style of literature back then. Anyway, excluding them was an easy decision.
There were a few NT books that required serious discussion. Here's where it takes a little faith in God that He was able to lead them to the correct decisions.
There are many translations, and everyone who uses them should understand that they are just translations. I believe that we have every word written in the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts. The problem is that we have some additional things added in places. Some of those came about by copying errors; a few were intentional. The job of conservative scholarship is to continue to strive to determine what the original texts said. I believe that they have done a good job of that. No major doctrine is in question.
Id worry about my own obedience to the Bible instead of the Bible itself. A good day to all!
Thank you , Sir.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: The Bible
[Re: 2Dogs]
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04/09/24 07:39 AM
04/09/24 07:39 AM
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Posts: 16,876 Banana Republic
jb20
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The question of why were some books included in the Bible and others weren't is not as difficult as many make it, IMO. The first 300 years of the church were spent in very difficult times of persecution - getting fed to lions and such. Nobody worries about the canon in times like that. Once the practice of the faith became legal, then it was something the various councils could address.
The general rule in evaluating a writing was if there was strong evidence that it was written by an apostle, or someone closely connected to one. They also wanted the books that the churches had been using; they'd had 300 years to determine that.
There wasn't any question about most of the books we have in the NT, and there wasn't any question about the obvious frauds. The ones that some call the "lost books" of the Bible were never lost at all. They were widely regarded as being pseudonymous, that is, written under a false name. Most of them weren't really attempts to deceive, it was just a style of literature back then. Anyway, excluding them was an easy decision.
There were a few NT books that required serious discussion. Here's where it takes a little faith in God that He was able to lead them to the correct decisions.
There are many translations, and everyone who uses them should understand that they are just translations. I believe that we have every word written in the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts. The problem is that we have some additional things added in places. Some of those came about by copying errors; a few were intentional. The job of conservative scholarship is to continue to strive to determine what the original texts said. I believe that they have done a good job of that. No major doctrine is in question.
Id worry about my own obedience to the Bible instead of the Bible itself. A good day to all!
Thank you , Sir.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: The Bible
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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04/09/24 07:51 AM
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Posts: 1,638 North Baldwin County, Al
TensawRiver
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I'd worry about my own obedience to the Bible instead of the Bible itself. A good day to all!
Romans 8:1-2 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, for the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of Sin and Death"
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Re: The Bible
[Re: paulfish4570]
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04/09/24 08:20 AM
04/09/24 08:20 AM
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Posts: 22,537 blount county alabama
jwalker77
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the desperate defense of the kjv is so boring. it is a favorite because of tradition. tradition corrupts. there are far better translations. let's get on with the Word. Could you explain your statement? What translations are better and why. Please give examples from both translations of scriptures which were changed or altered during translation so we can understand the effects of poor translation. Be as detailed as you like because i am very interested in this and would like to understand it clearly.
Last edited by jwalker77; 04/09/24 08:22 AM.
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Re: The Bible
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
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04/09/24 09:22 AM
04/09/24 09:22 AM
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Posts: 5,814 Henry county
coldtrail
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Before NIV, King James, and everything else was the word. The word is the communication of God to his people, he can use the Bible, the holy spirit, nature or anything he wants to communicate with us.
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: The Bible
[Re: coldtrail]
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04/09/24 09:46 AM
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jwalker77
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Before NIV, King James, and everything else was the word. The word is the communication of God to his people, he can use the Bible, the holy spirit, nature or anything he wants to communicate with us. Yes sir, 100%
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Re: The Bible
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
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04/09/24 09:55 AM
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mathews prostaff
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when I get some time I'm gonna show u the difference between the critical text and the recievedd text. I'm covered up with building genesis strings right now for the archery in schools
Last edited by mathews prostaff; 04/09/24 09:56 AM.
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Re: The Bible
[Re: mathews prostaff]
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04/09/24 10:09 AM
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jwalker77
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when I get some time I'm gonna show u the difference between the critical text and the recievedd text. I'm covered up with building genesis strings right now for the archery in schools Please mention who decided these things as well. And if those people had any vested interests in the outcome for or against the adoption of their beliefs, that would also be very important.
Last edited by jwalker77; 04/09/24 11:04 AM.
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Re: The Bible
[Re: jwalker77]
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04/09/24 10:12 AM
04/09/24 10:12 AM
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2Dogs
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when I get some time I'm gonna show u the difference between the critical text and the recievedd text. I'm covered up with building genesis strings right now for the archery in schools Please mention who decided these things as well. And if those people had any vested interests in the outcome ror or against the adoption of their beliefs, that would also be very important. Yes, yes it would.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: The Bible
[Re: Bamarich2]
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04/09/24 10:23 AM
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Alot of talk about versions of bible and men to listen to, not much said about the Spirit. I find that very strange. Without the Spirit, none of you will ever understand one word of any version of the bible. Funny how Jesus tried to teach the apostles spiritual things for years and they just never got it. 2000 years later here we are in a biblical debate, whos right and whos wrong and the Spirit is still being left out by those who appear to be the most knowledgable about God and his word and ways. Not much has changed. That everlasting water sure is good. Yall aught to get you a drink of it. Personally, i would take one ounce of Spirit over a triaxle load of knowledge. Patently incorrect. Jesus said in John 8:31-32 “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” No mention there of “needing the Spirit to understand it”. But… in a sense you are correct because 2 Peter 1:21 says the Holy Spirit delivered revelation to prophets who in turn passed it along to people. So… without the Holy Spirit there is no “word of God”. The Holy Spirit, God the Father, and God His Son (Jesus) aka the Trinity are the Word of God. Why do you think the word Authority is seen in Mark 1:22, Luke 4:32, Matthew 7:28-29, Matthew 28:18? He spoke with Authority because it was His word. Think about that for a minute. The Spirit of God teaching people about God in a synagogue. That is so powerful....men previously teaching the Word lacked the Spirit of God....that Authority.
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