Originally Posted by Todd1700

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Yep... And like i said had they stayed allied with Germany and fought on their side during the war it would have been a tough row to how for the Allied forces. There's an argument to be made that we wouldn't have won the war and the world would be a very different place right now.


Interesting "What If" but if you read Hitler's writings and listen to his words he was always going to go after Russia. He hated the Bolsheviks; considered them subhuman animals and a primary threat to Germany. His violation of the non-aggression pact he signed with Russia is the least shocking betrayal in the history of earth. Stalin was a complete dumbass to not see it coming. Conquering Russia was always one of his primary goals. Therefore to say "If only he hadn't invaded Russia" is basically saying "If only Hitler hadn't been Hitler".

correct. He was always going to invade Germany. But there were a few instances where the what ifs could of changed the war. If Enigma hadn't been deciphered, had the US not initiated the Lend/Lease program. I don't think England nor Russia would have survived the Nazi war machine. Britain was almost defeated anyways, their AF was almost destroyed, lucky for them hitler quit bombing the airfields and resorted to terror bombing. Also if the Russian winter had not have been as severe.

For without victory, there is no survival