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Trapping is the only way. Shooting only scatters them and makes them harder to get the whole group.
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Wrong. Recreational hunting of hogs does nothing in the grand scheme of things. Localized trapping done properly does. It takes more time and money than most are willing to throw at it. I can guarantee you the researchers had rather be spending their funding on something else. Hogs can be eradicated. It’s been done. Recreational hunters have never contributed to eradication of hogs and never will.
So hunters killing hogs does nothing to help eradicate them? That's pure "trust the science" crap from people that make their living on this type stuff. Why is it that hogs are such a problem now? They've been here since DeSoto in the 1500s. At what point does a species become native? I'd say 500 years is enough time. Hogs need to be controlled and are destructive to agriculture. I get it. To be told that they shouldn't be hunted to help with that is total crap. I hunted a piece of property once that the members damn well did eradicate the hogs from, by hunting only. Many species were historically hunted to extinction (or near it) with primitive weapons. You can't tell me that with today's weapons and sighting technology that isn't possible now. Meanwhile, the "officials" are OK with baiting corn everywhere and ignore that it probably isn't helping with the hog population. Of course, they get their $$$ for the permits so what was unethical yesterday is fine today. Plus, they can justify more grant funding to get rid of the demon hogs growing fat on the corn. Baiting has made the hog population EXPLODE fo sho!!!
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Trapping is the only way. Shooting only scatters them and makes them harder to get the whole group. Sure they scatter. However i've kilt 3 in 3 days, in the same field, from the same group. Reckon the power of milo is just too much for this group to handle lol...
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Matt sure put a hurting on the pig population on Black Warrior. Did he eliminate them? No but he stayed on them and took them out when the opportunity was there.
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Matt sure put a hurting on the pig population on Black Warrior. Did he eliminate them? No but he stayed on them and took them out when the opportunity was there. And he screwed up the only decent hunting up there too. And it didn’t have a thing to do with protecting agriculture.
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Matt sure put a hurting on the pig population on Black Warrior. Did he eliminate them? No but he stayed on them and took them out when the opportunity was there. And he screwed up the only decent hunting up there too. And it didn’t have a thing to do with protecting agriculture. I sure did. Only regret is not removing more. I don’t give a flip about recreational hog hunting and never will. The only places in North America where hogs are not a problem is in states you can’t hunt them recreationally. They compete with native wildlife for the same resources. They consume turkey nests and young poults. They damage riparian areas. They eat salamanders, frogs, toads, invertebrates, ground nesting birds, snakes, and anything else they can get in their mouth. There’s no place for them here. If you want to hunt hogs go to Africa, the Middle East or Eastern Europe where they are native and have much smaller litters. Blaming a state agency or agency personnel for actually placing the native resource above an invasive tells me all I need to know. I unapologetically hate hogs and have no patience for anyone who wants them on the landscape.
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Matt sure put a hurting on the pig population on Black Warrior. Did he eliminate them? No but he stayed on them and took them out when the opportunity was there. And he screwed up the only decent hunting up there too. And it didn’t have a thing to do with protecting agriculture. I sure did. Only regret is not removing more. I don’t give a flip about recreational hog hunting and never will. The only places in North America where hogs are not a problem is in states you can’t hunt them recreationally. They compete with native wildlife for the same resources. They consume turkey nests and young poults. They damage riparian areas. They eat salamanders, frogs, toads, invertebrates, ground nesting birds, snakes, and anything else they can get in their mouth. There’s no place for them here. If you want to hunt hogs go to Africa, the Middle East or Eastern Europe where they are native and have much smaller litters. Blaming a state agency or agency personnel for actually placing the native resource above an invasive tells me all I need to know. I unapologetically hate hogs and have no patience for anyone who wants them on the landscape. You can only understand that if you've ever had them on your place! Can't even bushhog after they arrive.
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Trying to bush hog, disc or run hay equipment in a field that’s been rooted in is awful.
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Matt sure put a hurting on the pig population on Black Warrior. Did he eliminate them? No but he stayed on them and took them out when the opportunity was there. And he screwed up the only decent hunting up there too. And it didn’t have a thing to do with protecting agriculture. So……you and an army of public land hog hunters and deer hunters opportunistically shooting hogs we’re enjoying a very sustainable hog population - then, a trapping program with resources, time and effort came along and by golly ruined the hog hunting. I’ll be danged how that works 
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All you guys that are saying y’all or someone else eradicated hogs from a property are full of it. You may have ran the hogs off the property but y’all didn’t kill every hog there was. I killed 100+ hogs for 3 years on a 6000 acre farm we’d grow rice on and never seamed to hurt the population. I’d move them off the farm into the marsh for a while but they’d always come back. It was a constant battle. That same farm now has state trappers trying to control them but hogs are smart and avoids their traps. You will NEVER eradicate hogs by hunting them. Period!!!
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I sure did. Only regret is not removing more. I don’t give a flip about recreational hog hunting and never will. The only places in North America where hogs are not a problem is in states you can’t hunt them recreationally. They compete with native wildlife for the same resources. They consume turkey nests and young poults. They damage riparian areas. They eat salamanders, frogs, toads, invertebrates, ground nesting birds, snakes, and anything else they can get in their mouth. There’s no place for them here. If you want to hunt hogs go to Africa, the Middle East or Eastern Europe where they are native and have much smaller litters. Blaming a state agency or agency personnel for actually placing the native resource above an invasive tells me all I need to know. I unapologetically hate hogs and have no patience for anyone who wants them on the landscape.
And I've got no patience for employees of state bureaucracies that are disrespectful and voice their opposition to hunting hogs on public property (contrary to state law). We'll all enjoy the extra snakes, frogs and salamanders you've provided. Welcome to the ignore list.
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I sure did. Only regret is not removing more. I don’t give a flip about recreational hog hunting and never will. The only places in North America where hogs are not a problem is in states you can’t hunt them recreationally. They compete with native wildlife for the same resources. They consume turkey nests and young poults. They damage riparian areas. They eat salamanders, frogs, toads, invertebrates, ground nesting birds, snakes, and anything else they can get in their mouth. There’s no place for them here. If you want to hunt hogs go to Africa, the Middle East or Eastern Europe where they are native and have much smaller litters. Blaming a state agency or agency personnel for actually placing the native resource above an invasive tells me all I need to know. I unapologetically hate hogs and have no patience for anyone who wants them on the landscape.
And I've got no patience for employees of state bureaucracies that are disrespectful and voice their opposition to hunting hogs on public property (contrary to state law). We'll all enjoy the extra snakes, frogs and salamanders you've provided. Welcome to the ignore list. Hmmmm!!! So your opinion is the only one that matters? I think anyone who works for or uses any public land should do everything possible to rid the place of hogs. Anyone who knows anything about hogs would not want them around. I do t know you but I’d bet you never had or own a piece of property that you had to work on that hogs have destroyed. I agree 100% with Matt, that any and all efforts should be make to get rid of them. You can kill a couple by hunting them but the entire sounders need to be removed and the only way is by trapping.
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I sure did. Only regret is not removing more. I don’t give a flip about recreational hog hunting and never will. The only places in North America where hogs are not a problem is in states you can’t hunt them recreationally. They compete with native wildlife for the same resources. They consume turkey nests and young poults. They damage riparian areas. They eat salamanders, frogs, toads, invertebrates, ground nesting birds, snakes, and anything else they can get in their mouth. There’s no place for them here. If you want to hunt hogs go to Africa, the Middle East or Eastern Europe where they are native and have much smaller litters. Blaming a state agency or agency personnel for actually placing the native resource above an invasive tells me all I need to know. I unapologetically hate hogs and have no patience for anyone who wants them on the landscape.
And I've got no patience for employees of state bureaucracies that are disrespectful and voice their opposition to hunting hogs on public property (contrary to state law). We'll all enjoy the extra snakes, frogs and salamanders you've provided. Welcome to the ignore list. I’m being ignored by someone who places their own recreational interests and opinions over those of sound science and the betterment of the resource. I’m honored. I’m perfectly fine with your decision.
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Hmmmm!!! So your opinion is the only one that matters? I think anyone who works for or uses any public land should do everything possible to rid the place of hogs. Anyone who knows anything about hogs would not want them around. I do t know you but I’d bet you never had or own a piece of property that you had to work on that hogs have destroyed. I agree 100% with Matt, that any and all efforts should be make to get rid of them. You can kill a couple by hunting them but the entire sounders need to be removed and the only way is by trapping.
That's right, you don't know me. Maybe you should consider the opinions of several in this thread that that don't blindly drink the kool aid and buy into their idea that gov't conducted trapping is the only component to control hogs. Despite the anti hog hunting opinions that have been stated here by a DCNR type in an open forum, they were begging hog hunters to come to Bankhead just a few short years ago. They still are. Feral Hog Hunting in Alabama
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I sure did. Only regret is not removing more. I don’t give a flip about recreational hog hunting and never will. The only places in North America where hogs are not a problem is in states you can’t hunt them recreationally. They compete with native wildlife for the same resources. They consume turkey nests and young poults. They damage riparian areas. They eat salamanders, frogs, toads, invertebrates, ground nesting birds, snakes, and anything else they can get in their mouth. There’s no place for them here. If you want to hunt hogs go to Africa, the Middle East or Eastern Europe where they are native and have much smaller litters. Blaming a state agency or agency personnel for actually placing the native resource above an invasive tells me all I need to know. I unapologetically hate hogs and have no patience for anyone who wants them on the landscape.
And I've got no patience for employees of state bureaucracies that are disrespectful and voice their opposition to hunting hogs on public property (contrary to state law). We'll all enjoy the extra snakes, frogs and salamanders you've provided. Welcome to the ignore list. I’m being ignored by someone who places their own recreational interests and opinions over those of sound science and the betterment of the resource. I’m honored. I’m perfectly fine with your decision. Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit to go work for Chuckie and the state. Reading his posts, it would seem he already feels entitled. Ridge, since you seem to enjoy hunting them and know so much about hogs and hog control, why dont you tell us how many hogs you've killed in your lifetime on your public land hunts, since gun hunting them is such an effective tool.
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Hmmmm!!! So your opinion is the only one that matters? I think anyone who works for or uses any public land should do everything possible to rid the place of hogs. Anyone who knows anything about hogs would not want them around. I do t know you but I’d bet you never had or own a piece of property that you had to work on that hogs have destroyed. I agree 100% with Matt, that any and all efforts should be make to get rid of them. You can kill a couple by hunting them but the entire sounders need to be removed and the only way is by trapping.
That's right, you don't know me. Maybe you should consider the opinions of several in this thread that that don't blindly drink the kool aid and buy into their idea that gov't conducted trapping is the only component to control hogs. Despite the anti hog hunting opinions that have been stated here by a DCNR type in an open forum, they were begging hog hunters to come to Bankhead just a few short years ago. They still are. Feral Hog Hunting in Alabama I don’t work for DCNR, therefore I can freely speak how I want to. It affects no one but me.
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Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit to go work for Chuckie and the state. Reading his posts, it would seem he already feels entitled. Ridge, since you seem to enjoy hunting them and know so much about hogs and hog control, why dont you tell us how many hogs you've killed in your lifetime on your public land hunts, since gun hunting them is such an effective tool.
Why don't you tell me how many thousands of hunters are shooting every hog they see? Maybe we should all stop shooting them and stop buying their hunting licenses and WMA licenses. Common sense tells us that thousands of hunters shooting hogs every Fall is a valid control method. The state regs and literature clearly recognize that fact despite the anti-hunting opinion previously stated here.
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Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit to go work for Chuckie and the state. Reading his posts, it would seem he already feels entitled. Ridge, since you seem to enjoy hunting them and know so much about hogs and hog control, why dont you tell us how many hogs you've killed in your lifetime on your public land hunts, since gun hunting them is such an effective tool.
Why don't you tell me how many thousands of hunters are shooting every hog they see? Maybe we should all stop shooting them and stop buying their hunting licenses and WMA licenses. Common sense tells us that thousands of hunters shooting hogs every Fall is a valid control method. The state regs and literature clearly recognize that fact despite the anti-hunting opinion previously stated here. I strongly believe that there is no one on this forum is anti hog hunting!!! We are simply stating that hunting them alone will not and will never eradicate hog populations. Hunting them will not even keep numbers in check in most places. Also most deer hunters I know will most likely let a hog walk because they think it will mess up their hunt. A hog is on the same level as a coyote and bobcat for me. I’ll shoot without prejudice every hog I see on property I can.
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I strongly believe that there is no one on this forum is anti hog hunting!!!
Have you actually read this thread? "I don’t give a flip about recreational hog hunting and never will. The only places in North America where hogs are not a problem is in states you can’t hunt them recreationally." -Matt Brock I'm not against trapping and never said I was. The point is that bureaucracies specialize in justifying their existence and getting public funds and it pisses me off to hear them all spouting the company line that trapping is the only way (because they can get funding and justify their existence with that) and hunting hurts the effort when common sense says different. The same people were begging for hunters to help in Bankhead a few short years ago. They also are for shooting, chasing with helicopters, etc. when its them being funded to do it. Apparently hunters are the only ones making trapping less effective by spooking hogs. And, of course, statewide corn baiting is ok now too since they're making $$$ on it. Forest Service"Other techniques, such as judas pig, ground shooting, and aerial gunning will be performed to compliment trapping efforts."
Keep "trusting the science". Bureaucrats would never lead you astray and have your best interests at heart.
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