When was David Lipscomb college founded and how does it pertain to the CoC teachings


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No. I lean towards what the entirety of scripture says. Grace doesn't negate mans responsibilty in responding to the Gospel. Also, this response does not equal "works".

On the subjects of "sin" and sins". Did Jesus die for my sin nature (sin) or for my performing sins, as in sinful acts? Curious as how you see it? Seems when Jesus was speaking he sort of infers my sin nature. Singular not plural. It's a little confusing. Like, "Go your way and sin no more". Was sin meant to be "sins" in that statement? Confusing.

I'm not interested in getting into a swordfight. You can scroll back and read at least this many scriptures where iscripture plainly says to repent in regards to salvation. This isn't legalism. "Believing" In and of itself never saved anyone either. The demons believe enough to tremble, which is more belief than most people have, and we know they arent children of God. Placing your faith in Christ, in surrender -aka - repentance is what justifies us. There are many examples of those who did this in the NT. Some are already listed. Also, there are many examples of those who claimed belief, but held on to their old life or something they refused to let go of, such as the rich young ruler.

Repentance is not a sinless perfection doctrine or a works doctrine. It is biblical doctrine in regards to salvation. For instance, I don't remember ever "not" believing in Christ as I was in church from an early age. But I lived life my way and by my rules until I realized I was a sinner in my late 20's.. I already believed but never received. I had a mental faith not a heart change. When God revealed to me my sin and I saw what a dirt bag I was, it was then I asked for forgiveness and turned away from my sin, to Christ in faith. That's repentance. But somehow this is legalism ? I respectfully disagree.

Anyhow, its been a good discussion.

Well... that would depend on who you ask GW !!!

If Satan can get 1/3 of angels to turn in heaven how easy is it for him here

bpi.do u still sin and if so how much? do you TRUST in your ability to not sin or not sin so much in order to prove you are saved ? OR do u TRUST the finished work of CHRIST. Calvanism is a dangerous augustinian catholic doctrine as well. the god of calvanism is evil and not the God of the universe.

Of course I still sin. But all my sin has been forgiven according to scripture. I need only to confess it to God and turn away from it when I do. I also trust that the finished work of the cross is all that saves anyone.

Do you believe someone can agree that Jesus existed like Abraham Lincoln or Nepoloen and continue to live with zero change and that person is born again ? See how that works ? I stretched your words 15 miles didn't I ?

Please read my posts again. I do not believe in sinless perfection doctrine. I do not believe in a works based doctrine. With the hairs you are splitting, faith itself and belief itself would be a work ( a doctrine which the Calvinist you are claiming worship a false God believe) If anyone here is being legalistic it is you. And while I do disagree with some of Calvin's doctrine I still listen to Calvinist pastors and have Calvinist friends. They don't worship a false God but only have some doctrine I disagree with.

I don't know if you realize it, but of one side if your mouth your saying "nothing but grace" in regards to doctrine (which is not wong if coupled with actual faith and a repentant heart ). But out of the other side of your mouth you are showing no grace whatsoever and are saying if anyone disagrees with your doctrine then they are heretics. Billy Graham, Calvinists, Catholics, Me.That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater and it doesn't sound very graceful.

I'm bowing out, peace.

This is where the church does a good job of confusing people. First repentance has nothing to do with sin. The word repent means to turn away. If you turn away from sin, that means you'll never sin again, that means your perfect, that means your Jesus. What the bible means when talking about repenting is ,turning away from your old life of living for yourself and the world, and start living for Jesus. This can't be done without first believing in Jesus. Also if you truly believe in Jesus, you believe his word is real and truth, so you will study it . That is just as important as repentance. And if you read his word you will understand there is more to believing in him than repentance. I stand firm, I gave you several scriptures where you don't have to interpret anything. It clearly says what you have to do to be saved, it even uses those words. You don't have to put anything with, or take anything away from it to understand what you have to do to be saved. No where in the bible does it say " repent and you shall be saved", God is NOT the author of confusion!

Repentance is like works, it won't get you in to heaven, but you can't get in with out it. James says faith without works is dead. That means you have to do good works, if you truly believe in Jesus. But you must understand its the believe in Jesus that results in you to do the repentance and the good works, not the repentance that causes you to believe in Jesus. Again I hate doing this on the internet because you can't really tell if this is a discussion or an argument. I'm not going to argue with anyone about Jesus. I hope it's a discussion and you go back and read the scripture and it makes you think. It does me!

Exactly. A change of mind and heart through belief. We aren't as far apart in this as we think. Repentance and faith are synonymous and interchangeable according to many scholars.

Luke 24 vs 46-47 "He told them, ' This is what is written, The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in His name to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem"

Jesus clearly said it. How does anyone reconcile these words with a doctrine that does not require repentance for forgiveness ? I believe that we are probably closer than we think but the confusion comes in because repentance isn't well understood.

And you are also right about confusing folks. Peace

we are justified by faith in Christ alone. legalism is adding anything to that. I'm far from a legalist. I hate sin I truly feel sorry when I do but I'm not trusting in my ability not to sin. my faith is in the one who paid the fine Jesus Christ. I figured you were heavily influenced by calvanist. calvanism teaches the perseverance of the saints which is a heresy I believe in the preservation of the savior. calvanism is a works based legalistic herasy

Ok, big lesson learned here! Don't comment on a 7 page thread you only read two posts on!!!! Especially when the thread title is taylor swift, and your talking bible scriptures! I love yall, and I'll pray for yall. Lot of confusion going on here, and I don't want to add too. Just went back and read entire thread. I'm off this one!

Lots of misunderstanding throughout this entire thread, but I won't get into all of it.

I'd say it is biblical, rather than Calvinist. I prefer to call it "the security of the Believer".

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out." - John 6:37

"And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me,...." -John 6:39

"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." - John 10:29"

"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption" - Ephesians 4:30

"And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." - Phillipians 1:6

it's not complicated. Adam brought sin in the world and death by sin. our sin separated us from a relationship with God. God said He was gonna fix it it in gen 3 15. He came in and took on our flesh and lived the life we could not live. took all of the sin of the whole world on the cross and shed His blood for the remission of sin. raised Himself from the dead. all we have to do is change our mind of trusting in our works to trusting in His finished work. we are justified by faith in Him. Abraham believed God and his faith was accredited to him as righteousness. I think the confusion here is ive been debating justification by faith alone. others have been focused on service. salvation and service are 2 different things justification and sanctification are 2 different things.

Preach on folks but I think Taylor swift is a good influence on kids . A lot better than some this rap punks druggies . She don’t have a sex tape. Seems be upstanding citizen. Seems be down to earth person. Don’t care for her political opinions but could be lot worse . I’m not a fan of her or anyone in the music industry but kids nowadays need at least some kind of decent influence compared to some out there .

Okay, maybe I'm not bowing out ... I'm not Calvinist, but I don't believe their doctrine to be heretical... I'm not trying to speak for Mark but I believe that he may be, and that's fine. I appreciate his posts and believe he loves Christ and knows the way on the non negotiables of salvation.

Genesis 3:15, referred to as the protoevangelium (first gospel). I've been in both Arminian and Calvinistic churches. Both believe that works DO NOT result in conversion. Works (fruit) WILL result from conversion, though. Saving faith produces works. So, while works do not save, those who are saved will, naturally, demonstrate good works ("But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works." - James 2:18, "For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works." - Ephesians 2:10)

Find a calvinist who will say they are saved and will admit they occasionally sin. I havent been able to do it. Have a conversation with them about a relationship with God. That should tell you all you need to know about them.

What is " Calvinism"?