Hoggin. What does your work day look like to pay employees $40 plus an hour?

M-F 8-5 they get 35% of the labor revenue they generate and average $40+ an hour a couple much closer to$55. After hours/weekends they get 50% and average $75+

I remember having to machine those giant bull rings and then key them...that was a slow process almost a day a piece of milling them down...slowwww process for sure ...until I get greedy and cut out to much and burn the bits up🤫

Sounds like that school and instructor has serious problems. How could anyone like that have a degree , even a 2 year one?

Unskilled seasonal work and I train on the job. Start is 16-18, 25 once they prove they can do the job. Used to be able to fill the shop at $8 an hour and now can't keep full time help. The guy that says he wants overtime doesn't want more than 30 hours in reality. The answer for businesses is automation but I don't know what we're going to do as a country. Greatest gift my folks gave me was teaching me how to work hard.

I went to Shelton state and I’m not going to speak badly on the instructors however there has been more that I’ve learned on a shop floor than I ever did in trade school!! When I graduated trade school I didn’t know fully how to indicate a 4 jaw chuck on a lathe. They had one lathe at the trade school with a 4 jaw and everybody would avoid it like a plague. That needs to be a mandatory thing to learn right out of the gate. They also ran their manual milling machines too slow. They said to never power tap on a lathe cuz it’s dangerous. (Crescent wrench method) there wasn’t enough projects in school teaching all the things you really need in the real world. I made it tho and have definitely come a long way in my 8 years of doing it full time.

It's a never ending cycle. You'll have half your guys that are great, long term folks. The other half is a revolving door.

Bingo! You have to look at the numbers... let's say you are paying a guy $25hr.

After estimating federal and state income taxes, as well as FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare), your weekly paycheck in Alabama would be approximately $793.38, assuming an annual salary of $52,000. Let's say you have wife and one child, most "shops" are not giving much of a discount for insurance. I would expect a family plan is at least $700 a month if not more. So now this guy is brining home $618.38.

Basically he is broke broke broke. But if he works 60-70hrs a week he can bring home a nice check, nope. This young generation does not see that as a life worth living, work your whole life so you can have extras. They see that as a wasted life.

What's really happen to some extent is the high school and college labor market dried up. Everyone in my group was middle-class but we still had to work hard manual labor jobs in the summer to have some change in our pocket, rims, Alpines with 12in Kickers, etc. Work all day and then drag into the fieldhouse for football workouts.

We also had to foot our college costs or most of them, so you had a good pool of solid hard working 18-24 year olds who could work for you at 30hrs a week so they could pay for college. Now momma and daddy is footing that bill or they can just work at Academy for a little change.

Society has changed a lot but these kids are a product of their environment and their raising. The idea of, "I want my son to have it better than me", really correlates to I want them to have it easier than me. Easier is not actually better... it's worse.

I think this is close to the truth. It’s fair to say that most people want their kids to have a better life and be more successful than they are correct? So how many people complaining about not being able to find good workers would want their kids to be working a manual labor job for $18-$25/hr? Or would you rather your kid was running that business themselves?

Personally, I don’t want my kids to be doing manual labor their whole lives. I think it is a very important job to have as a middle or high school or college age person as it teaches a good work ethic. But it is not something many people wish to do their whole life. It’s definitely a complex issue with many different facets.

That's the problem. People don't want to work. The point of working is to get as much money as you can so you can spend time with your family when you retire. A good woman should understand that. I don't mean neglect the family 7 days a week for months on end. You have to balance everything but working 7 days a week for a few weeks shouldn't be an issue...people use working long hours as an excuse to be a lazy ass.

Another problem is finding a decent woman. They're just as dumb as they lazy ass guys we're speaking of.

Yeup... quality work is a thing of the past. They want to rush so they can sit around on their phones. I see it everyday at work.

Another factor is the value of a dollar. The $20 pay is the new $10. That ain't helping anything the work ethic. People aren't gonna work for chump change if they can live off others and survive.

I see a lot of people doing the bare minimum just to scrape by.

I also see a lot of people doing the bare minimum just to stay in debt with new vehicles. I don't understand. Why go to work just to give it all away to the bank, car manufacturers and such. People don't work to save money anymore and they dang sure don't work to get ahead.

Hmm. Those numbers you throwing out there are mostly management folks that make way too much and do nothing but work from home. Us lowly overpaid hourly workers who do sub par work as you say are still working. Oh how I wish I could put ole Sappy on a brown truck in West End in the summertime. Those who’ve never done it always have a different idea of what it is than it really is. I ain’t overpaid and I don’t do sub par work. Sappy you prolly wouldn’t make it

I was offered a job at a state park last weekend. I’m gonna retire soon. I don’t have a problem running a bushhogg or cutting grass