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Re: Transporting deer across AL state lines....
[Re: jawbone]
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01/03/24 04:31 PM
01/03/24 04:31 PM
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Elmore County
Frankie
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Old Mossy Horns
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Elmore County
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Jawbone . Just to split hairs.... lol
The states , open bag law says . "Animals taken in alabama " wonder how'd that would work out in court if it was taken out of state Most agencies that work close to state lines have some sort of reciprocal agreement to cover situations like that. Since I worked in the central part of central Alabama, I really don't know how the agreements work, but I know they exist. Was just a bs question . Some times wording of a law matters though.
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Re: Transporting deer across AL state lines....
[Re: wmd]
#4052939
01/03/24 05:43 PM
01/03/24 05:43 PM
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Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 18,323
North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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North AL
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a LEO cannot stop a vehicle driving down the Interstate without probable cause...like seeing a deer in the bed of a truck. Otherwise not so legal. A LEO cannot stop a vehicle leaving a bar or establishment merely because the driver left said establishment. Right? Guy walks out at 1 a.m., drives off, cop stops him a mile away to check. That's illegal. They must have legitimate probable cause to stop them. (side note -- too much bad chit gets done when the LEO makes up something for a stop, but that's a discussion for another post) How can a GW stop a truck coming from another state just because it's (1) A truck, (2) has mud or camo or a guy in camo, (3) has a covered camper or bed cover, (4) anything OTHER THAN a visible deer, whole, or deer parts in the bed-trailer-other that clearly would be visible? They can't. Saying, "Oh, a truck coming from Tennessee, they might have a deer so let's check" is not probable cause. It's bullchit, nothing more than a DCNR version of Stop and Frisk, which was and is unconstitutional. It's the same chit they were doing with the roadblocks down in Barbour County a few years ago, checking drivers for licenses and any deer or wildlife "just because we can." No one will challenge it, though, because they don't have the money, willpower or a "well, it doen't matter so let's all be good conservationists!" mentality. If they're doing this on 65 and 231, or 72 coming from Mississippi, or any other border point, why aren't they set up and stopping vehicles on Highway 5 near Brent or US 331 or I-20 near Heflin or absolutely any other road in the state? Those trucks MIGHT have a deer in them. If these checkpoints are OK to do on 65 and 231, why aren't they doing them everywhere? When I have seen them there were Game Wardens on the first I-65 S overpass in AL or in a scissor-lift on 231 on the state line looking down on passing vehicles ... the only vehicles I saw that had been pulled over were open bed pickups. They might be doing in other places. ADCNR has posted many such pictures over the years of such operations from around the state on various social media outlets that apparently the majority of aldeer folks don't use ... lol. Bed covers work. Jus sayin.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Transporting deer across AL state lines....
[Re: wmd]
#4053016
01/03/24 07:37 PM
01/03/24 07:37 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 26,052
Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 26,052
Fayetteville TN Via Selma
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a LEO cannot stop a vehicle driving down the Interstate without probable cause...like seeing a deer in the bed of a truck. Otherwise not so legal. A LEO cannot stop a vehicle leaving a bar or establishment merely because the driver left said establishment. Right? Guy walks out at 1 a.m., drives off, cop stops him a mile away to check. That's illegal. They must have legitimate probable cause to stop them. (side note -- too much bad chit gets done when the LEO makes up something for a stop, but that's a discussion for another post) How can a GW stop a truck coming from another state just because it's (1) A truck, (2) has mud or camo or a guy in camo, (3) has a covered camper or bed cover, (4) anything OTHER THAN a visible deer, whole, or deer parts in the bed-trailer-other that clearly would be visible? They can't. Saying, "Oh, a truck coming from Tennessee, they might have a deer so let's check" is not probable cause. It's bullchit, nothing more than a DCNR version of Stop and Frisk, which was and is unconstitutional. It's the same chit they were doing with the roadblocks down in Barbour County a few years ago, checking drivers for licenses and any deer or wildlife "just because we can." No one will challenge it, though, because they don't have the money, willpower or a "well, it doen't matter so let's all be good conservationists!" mentality. If they're doing this on 65 and 231, or 72 coming from Mississippi, or any other border point, why aren't they set up and stopping vehicles on Highway 5 near Brent or US 331 or I-20 near Heflin or absolutely any other road in the state? Those trucks MIGHT have a deer in them. If these checkpoints are OK to do on 65 and 231, why aren't they doing them everywhere? When I have seen them there were Game Wardens on the first I-65 S overpass in AL or in a scissor-lift on 231 on the state line looking down on passing vehicles ... the only vehicles I saw that had been pulled over were open bed pickups. They might be doing in other places. ADCNR has posted many such pictures over the years of such operations from around the state on various social media outlets that apparently the majority of aldeer folks don't use ... lol. I wonder if they can see a deer if you just throw it in the passenger floorboard? That was an entertaining thread that is due for a resurrection.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Transporting deer across AL state lines....
[Re: CNC]
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01/03/24 07:39 PM
01/03/24 07:39 PM
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Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,365
Georgia and Missouri
Semo
12 point
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12 point
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,365
Georgia and Missouri
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Has a regular LEO ever made his living going on peoples property searching for violations of the law. I would guess the community would be up in arms if this was regular practice. But, somehow we have given conservation officers the OK to approach law abiding citizens on their own property (with no evidence of breaking the law) and look into their cars and buildings, set up cameras, and walk and drive anywhere on posted property. We even had one look in our cooler without asking and made me put down a knife while I was skinning a deer ON MY OWN PLACE. It is crazy because you call aboyt trespassers and good luck getting help with that.
Last edited by Semo; 01/03/24 07:40 PM.
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Re: Transporting deer across AL state lines....
[Re: Semo]
#4053056
01/03/24 08:29 PM
01/03/24 08:29 PM
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Posts: 1,578
NOALA
RidgeRanger
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Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 1,578
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Has a regular LEO ever made his living going on peoples property searching for violations of the law. I would guess the community would be up in arms if this was regular practice. But, somehow we have given conservation officers the OK to approach law abiding citizens on their own property (with no evidence of breaking the law) and look into their cars and buildings, set up cameras, and walk and drive anywhere on posted property. We even had one look in our cooler without asking and made me put down a knife while I was skinning a deer ON MY OWN PLACE. It is crazy because you call aboyt trespassers and good luck getting help with that. The problem with the open field doctrine is that they applied it across the board and it should only have been allowed for exigent circumstances where a serious crime is taking place and there isn't time to get a warrant, not the typical game law violations. The court in Tennessee did a great thing by curtailing this behavior in their game wardens but they did it based on the state constitution. Hopefully it will be upheld on appeal. Outside of the courts, the way to get this changed is thru the legislative process and that could be a tough row to hoe. Your treatment on your own property is ridiculous. You should raise hell with your state reps.
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Re: Transporting deer across AL state lines....
[Re: RidgeRanger]
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01/03/24 09:11 PM
01/03/24 09:11 PM
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Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Elmore County
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Has a regular LEO ever made his living going on peoples property searching for violations of the law. I would guess the community would be up in arms if this was regular practice. But, somehow we have given conservation officers the OK to approach law abiding citizens on their own property (with no evidence of breaking the law) and look into their cars and buildings, set up cameras, and walk and drive anywhere on posted property. We even had one look in our cooler without asking and made me put down a knife while I was skinning a deer ON MY OWN PLACE. It is crazy because you call aboyt trespassers and good luck getting help with that. The problem with the open field doctrine is that they applied it across the board and it should only have been allowed for exigent circumstances where a serious crime is taking place and there isn't time to get a warrant, not the typical game law violations. The court in Tennessee did a great thing by curtailing this behavior in their game wardens but they did it based on the state constitution. Hopefully it will be upheld on appeal. Outside of the courts, the way to get this changed is thru the legislative process and that could be a tough row to hoe. Your treatment on your own property is ridiculous. You should raise hell with your state reps. hell ,,, just check on the rules and laws about living off grid in alabama . they control a lot more than you think about what you can on your land legally
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Re: Transporting deer across AL state lines....
[Re: Frankie]
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01/03/24 09:24 PM
01/03/24 09:24 PM
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Posts: 1,152
Xroads
Backwards cowboy
6 point
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6 point
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 1,152
Xroads
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Has a regular LEO ever made his living going on peoples property searching for violations of the law. I would guess the community would be up in arms if this was regular practice. But, somehow we have given conservation officers the OK to approach law abiding citizens on their own property (with no evidence of breaking the law) and look into their cars and buildings, set up cameras, and walk and drive anywhere on posted property. We even had one look in our cooler without asking and made me put down a knife while I was skinning a deer ON MY OWN PLACE. It is crazy because you call aboyt trespassers and good luck getting help with that. The problem with the open field doctrine is that they applied it across the board and it should only have been allowed for exigent circumstances where a serious crime is taking place and there isn't time to get a warrant, not the typical game law violations. The court in Tennessee did a great thing by curtailing this behavior in their game wardens but they did it based on the state constitution. Hopefully it will be upheld on appeal. Outside of the courts, the way to get this changed is thru the legislative process and that could be a tough row to hoe. Your treatment on your own property is ridiculous. You should raise hell with your state reps. hell ,,, just check on the rules and laws about living off grid in alabama . they control a lot more than you think about what you can on your land legally There's laws about living off the grid? For real?
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