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by AustinC. 05/21/24 05:01 PM
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: jaredhunts]
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11/15/23 09:19 PM
11/15/23 09:19 PM
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Posts: 7,605 Boaz,AL
CarbonClimber1
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Why dont they just charge us like a $100 a paycheck…no taxes on nothin else..im not very smart..but would that not be like 70 billion a month..that be like..nearly a trillyun dollers ah year..who cant live on that😐..i mean..what the heck🤷🏻
"I dont quit.. And ill fight alone if i have to"
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: whack-n-stack]
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11/15/23 09:59 PM
11/15/23 09:59 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 69 West Alabama
BGR
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I'd rather do away with all the taxes we have now, and pay a 10% tax on everything we purchase. I'm all about a flat (consumption) tax, but the number to make everything work is well above 10%...more like 22%. We already pay 10% on pretty much everything we purchase. Yeah, I know...they should be able to make it on 10%. But, that's not realistic. Even at 22%, I would take it and run. Consumption taxes also encourage saving money, something a lot of people have zero clue how to do. It’s nearly impossible to quantify that. When you factor in vehicles being sold two or three times over its life and being taxed 10% each sale, it would probably come out somewhere higher than 22% of the original price. Much less, the 10% the manufacturer paid for all the components to assemble the vehicle. Imagine if 10% of every transaction in the stock market was paid on the front end instead of when it was sold or not at all if it’s in some tax deferred account. Manufacturers wouldn’t pay 10% on components. With a consumption tax system, there is no business-to-business sales tax. The end user who “consumes,” or uses, the good/service is who pays the tax. I point out service because, unlike our current sales tax system, services are generally also taxed with a consumption tax. It’s a value added tax - common in Europe - where the components or inputs are taxed at each level. To your point about stock market transactions - they would not be taxed. No good is being consumed. You’re simply purchasing shares in a corporation.
Last edited by BGR; 11/15/23 10:01 PM.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: jawbone]
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11/15/23 10:25 PM
11/15/23 10:25 PM
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Posts: 325 Andalusia, Alabama
rickyh_2
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How about no Property or Grocery taxes and just a Flat tax on Income with no credits? Everybody pays the same thing proportionate to what they make. I'd love to see this go State and Federal. If you want to talk about fair, then I see no more fair way to do it. Of course, I know this is a pipe dream but tell me a better way? This is why I couldn't be a politician. I'd shake things up too much. ^^^^THIS^^^^
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: jawbone]
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11/15/23 10:52 PM
11/15/23 10:52 PM
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Posts: 19,223 colbert county
cartervj
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Old Mossy Horns
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How about no Property or Grocery taxes and just a Flat tax on Income with no credits? Everybody pays the same thing proportionate to what they make. I'd love to see this go State and Federal. If you want to talk about fair, then I see no more fair way to do it. Of course, I know this is a pipe dream but tell me a better way? This is why I couldn't be a politician. I'd shake things up too much. Everyone would have skin in the game. We’re reaching the point where there’s more folks on the dole than paying in and it’s about to get real. So is there hope?
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: cartervj]
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11/16/23 12:57 AM
11/16/23 12:57 AM
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Posts: 26,029 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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Freak of Nature
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How about no Property or Grocery taxes and just a Flat tax on Income with no credits? Everybody pays the same thing proportionate to what they make. I'd love to see this go State and Federal. If you want to talk about fair, then I see no more fair way to do it. Of course, I know this is a pipe dream but tell me a better way? This is why I couldn't be a politician. I'd shake things up too much. Everyone would have skin in the game. We’re reaching the point where there’s more folks on the dole than paying in and it’s about to get real. So is there hope? Probably not without a change in the culture and values of our society.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: jaredhunts]
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11/16/23 07:41 AM
11/16/23 07:41 AM
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ridgestalker
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Paying taxes with money that’s already been taxed is wrong.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: ridgestalker]
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11/16/23 07:48 AM
11/16/23 07:48 AM
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Posts: 34,842 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Paying taxes with money that’s already been taxed is wrong. I agree and concur , Sir.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: ridgestalker]
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11/16/23 09:07 AM
11/16/23 09:07 AM
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Posts: 19,736 Pelham
Ben2
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Paying taxes with money that’s already been taxed is wrong. Yes
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: jawbone]
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11/16/23 09:39 AM
11/16/23 09:39 AM
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Posts: 7,256 Meridianville
DryFire
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FYI, if you didn't already know, no one is going to call you and tell you this, but if your wife is on disability then y'all can be exempted from Alabama Property taxes on the house you live in. We did check into that when we bought this house 8 years ago. If I remember correctly, we didn't qualify due to my income. My property taxes went from $4500 a year to $650 when I moved to Alabama. I froze them at $765 last year. I have no complaints with that annual amount. The Boss wants to move back to Texas when I retire to be closer to the grand kids. I told her Oklahoma was as close as we were going to get if we move.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: DryFire]
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11/16/23 10:29 AM
11/16/23 10:29 AM
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bama_earl
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I like the Texas system better, they have no grocery tax and higher property taxes. I would vote to swap the grocery tax with an increase in property tax. Property tax on my home is about $400, in Texas it would be $4000. Now you don't pay state income tax in Texas so you have that kicker. As a former Texas resident, I disagree. I call it the Texas Wealth Tax. When my wife had to go on full time disability, we lost 40% of our income. Yet our property tax continued to increase every year. Some years the increase would be over $100 a month. With groceries, I have the option to eat steak or baloney. Even with the Alabama state income tax, I still come out ahead living here than if I had remained in Texas. Secondly, when you retire and your income drops, your property taxes are frozen at the current level. Again not indexed to income. So in Texas you would still pay $4000 a year, not the $400 in Alabama. In Alabama, my SS income is not taxed until I reach a certain thresh hold in 401k withdrawals, so my income tax liability will drop when I retire next year. As a former resident of Texas who travels back frequently to visit family, I agree with your logic if you are only looking at what is beneficial to you and your situation. But when you look at the Texas economic engine and the services they provide they blow Alabama out of the water. Not one of our family members on my side or my wife's side of the family has ever attended a private school. Because the public schools are so strong. You will prosper if the overall economic engine is strong, there is just a greater chance to grow wealth. Now if I am retired, on a fixed income then yes Alabama does have a lower taxes. The biggest crime in Taxes is Billy and Sarah... Billy works at the paper mill and makes $80,000 and Sarah works at the local bank making $25,000. They pay 25% in taxes but Jeff Bezos pays 2% of his income in taxes.... that's just not right. Maybe the flat tax is our only solution to level the playing field for Billy and Sarah
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: DryFire]
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11/16/23 10:48 AM
11/16/23 10:48 AM
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ShootemupTex
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I like the Texas system better, they have no grocery tax and higher property taxes. I would vote to swap the grocery tax with an increase in property tax. Property tax on my home is about $400, in Texas it would be $4000. Now you don't pay state income tax in Texas so you have that kicker. As a former Texas resident, I disagree. I call it the Texas Wealth Tax. When my wife had to go on full time disability, we lost 40% of our income. Yet our property tax continued to increase every year. Some years the increase would be over $100 a month. With groceries, I have the option to eat steak or baloney. Even with the Alabama state income tax, I still come out ahead living here than if I had remained in Texas. Secondly, when you retire and your income drops, your property taxes are frozen at the current level. Again not indexed to income. So in Texas you would still pay $4000 a year, not the $400 in Alabama. In Alabama, my SS income is not taxed until I reach a certain thresh hold in 401k withdrawals, so my income tax liability will drop when I retire next year. As another Texas refugee I agree. If you want to see your neighborhood demographics change every 5 years and fight the tax appraisers every year then sure it works great. People essentially over pay for their homes, then rent them from the state once they are paid off until they get to old to afford the taxes. Texas doesn't care you paid off your home 30 years ago and are 80 years old. Your going to pay the taxes on current market value like your 35 and just bought the thing. Turns entire suburbs of 100k plus residents from a real community into a sprawling rent home ghetto overnight. There's no point in a mortgage except the appreciation, you're going to want to move every 10 years to another town in Texas. It's like real state day trading instead of long term investing and it all starts with the property tax system. As much as I hate taxes, I rather pay it all the grocery store and get to live in a real community. Things changing too fast as it is, don't need the tax man shuffling everyone around on top of it.
Last edited by ShootemupTex; 11/16/23 10:50 AM.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: jaredhunts]
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11/16/23 10:54 AM
11/16/23 10:54 AM
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Posts: 9,214 B'ham
Goatkiller
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Increasing the property taxes.... here in the real world what happens is within a few generations the only people who own land in the State are the wealthy and Corporations.
That's really what you would be proposing when it comes to Alabama. There are a lot of poor people in this State, in fact we are covered up with them and there are many that own and live on rural property at or below the poverty line. They work at low paying jobs because there are no high paying jobs near them. They will lose their land so that someone can sit on their ass and collect Federal Checks and soak Alabama for Medicaid over here in Ensley.
That's reality.
If you want to do something productive stop voting for Democrats like Kay Ivey.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: DryFire]
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11/16/23 01:38 PM
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Posts: 34,842 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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FYI, if you didn't already know, no one is going to call you and tell you this, but if your wife is on disability then y'all can be exempted from Alabama Property taxes on the house you live in. We did check into that when we bought this house 8 years ago. If I remember correctly, we didn't qualify due to my income. My property taxes went from $4500 a year to $650 when I moved to Alabama. I froze them at $765 last year. I have no complaints with that annual amount. The Boss wants to move back to Texas when I retire to be closer to the grand kids. I told her Oklahoma was as close as we were going to get if we move. What do you mean by "froze them?"
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: 2Dogs]
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11/16/23 05:31 PM
11/16/23 05:31 PM
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Posts: 7,256 Meridianville
DryFire
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We did check into that when we bought this house 8 years ago. If I remember correctly, we didn't qualify due to my income. My property taxes went from $4500 a year to $650 when I moved to Alabama. I froze them at $765 last year. I have no complaints with that annual amount. The Boss wants to move back to Texas when I retire to be closer to the grand kids. I told her Oklahoma was as close as we were going to get if we move.
What do you mean by "froze them?" My home will appraise at the same value on the tax rolls unless I make improvements. My property tax will increase only if the actual tax increases. I was surprised that I got some sort of break after I made 65 trips around the sun. My property taxes dropped almost $100 from the previous year.
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Re: Grocery tax.
[Re: 2Dogs]
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11/17/23 05:30 AM
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MGrubber
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Paying taxes with money that’s already been taxed is wrong. I agree and concur , Sir.
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