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Re: Archeological question
[Re: imadeerhntr]
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The archaeology of that region has been politicized since the early 1900's. Everytime there is a finding of any kind of significance it is used by the various interest groups to bolster their claims. Every country and religion and political organization do it and it annoys the piss out of archaeologists unless you are the archaeologist collecting the pay check. Dang Joseph's grave has been found at least a half dozen times. Evidence of Hebrew writing has been found on Sumerian tablets under pyramids in Egypt, that was later found out to be fraud. The Shroud of Turin is only about 400 years old and is a fake done by the Catholic church. The Palestinians also know that an archaeological excavation can take years or decades just to find nothing significant to anybodies' cause so its a good stall tactic.
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Re: Archeological question
[Re: imadeerhntr]
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Its ironic that Israel cant dig around the Temple mount either without the arabs going nutz
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Re: Archeological question
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Its ironic that Israel cant dig around the Temple mount either without the arabs going nutz Wouldn't matter anyway, there aint nothing to find there except an argument.
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Re: Archeological question
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Its ironic that Israel cant dig around the Temple mount either without the arabs going nutz Wouldn't matter anyway, there aint nothing to find there except an argument. Skinny do you remember when Arafat had the excavations done inside the dome ? If I remember correctly the spoils dumped by them had artifacts from many nations throughout history
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Re: Archeological question
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Likely some gentiles were there before Abraham ever went there. But it would be impossible for muslims to be there first because they were not on earth first.
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Re: Archeological question
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Its ironic that Israel cant dig around the Temple mount either without the arabs going nutz Wouldn't matter anyway, there aint nothing to find there except an argument. Skinny do you remember when Arafat had the excavations done inside the dome ? If I remember correctly the spoils dumped by them had artifacts from many nations throughout history Yup. Exactly as expected. Its the geographic center of the old World, just like Mexico City is the geographic center of the New World. If you go dig at sites in Mexico City you can find stuff that is 4000 years old from Alaska and Argentina. It doesn't mean anything other than a non-local object was carried there from a far off place. Its like this computer I am on right now. It was built in China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Mexico, India, and some other places but its found in Alabama.
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Re: Archeological question
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Thats the point It doesnt prove ownership of anything It just proves someone was there at some point in history
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Re: Archeological question
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The archaeology of that region has been politicized since the early 1900's. Everytime there is a finding of any kind of significance it is used by the various interest groups to bolster their claims. Every country and religion and political organization do it and it annoys the piss out of archaeologists unless you are the archaeologist collecting the pay check. Dang Joseph's grave has been found at least a half dozen times. Evidence of Hebrew writing has been found on Sumerian tablets under pyramids in Egypt, that was later found out to be fraud. The Shroud of Turin is only about 400 years old and is a fake done by the Catholic church. The Palestinians also know that an archaeological excavation can take years or decades just to find nothing significant to anybodies' cause so its a good stall tactic. You have any evidence to back any of these claims beyond, “I’m an archeologist”? It’s apparent through the history of your post since the time I’ve been on this site that you have a resentment against any biblical archeology. The shroud is not a catholic relic… it wasn’t even under catholic control until very recently. All scientific evidence I’ve seen in no way points to it being new, or a forgery. Archeology is extremely interesting and I respect all in the field, but don’t make false claims under the guise of, I’m an archeologist… so my word is gospel.
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Re: Archeological question
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Likely some gentiles were there before Abraham ever went there. But it would be impossible for muslims to be there first because they were not on earth first. Right. Since the lineage of the Jews and Muslims both go back to Abraham, they pretty much both are the same age.
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Re: Archeological question
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The archaeology of that region has been politicized since the early 1900's. Everytime there is a finding of any kind of significance it is used by the various interest groups to bolster their claims. Every country and religion and political organization do it and it annoys the piss out of archaeologists unless you are the archaeologist collecting the pay check. Dang Joseph's grave has been found at least a half dozen times. Evidence of Hebrew writing has been found on Sumerian tablets under pyramids in Egypt, that was later found out to be fraud. The Shroud of Turin is only about 400 years old and is a fake done by the Catholic church. The Palestinians also know that an archaeological excavation can take years or decades just to find nothing significant to anybodies' cause so its a good stall tactic. You have any evidence to back any of these claims beyond, “I’m an archeologist”? It’s apparent through the history of your post since the time I’ve been on this site that you have a resentment against any biblical archeology. The shroud is not a catholic relic… it wasn’t even under catholic control until very recently. All scientific evidence I’ve seen in no way points to it being new, or a forgery. Archeology is extremely interesting and I respect all in the field, but don’t make false claims under the guise of, I’m an archeologist… so my word is gospel. I'm not against Biblical Archaeology at all, its a nice magazine. The majority it is directed at proving a hypothesis instead of refuting a hypothesis. So by standard, it does not follow the scientific method. And the shroud is indeed a forgery. The C-14 evidence, the phytolith analysis, the neutron activation analysis, metallurgical analysis, XRF, and DNA analysis all are in agreement that it is a forgery. C-14 says it is 400-450 yrs old, phytolith anlaysis says the shroud is from central Italy, neutron activation says the various paints are from Italy, Spain, and France. Metallurgical analysis says the stuff that looks like blood are iron and lead based paint, XRF analysis says there is a good bit of chromium and cyanide in the paints, and DNA says that the stuff that looks like human blood is not blood at all but rather metal based paint, and the shroud is made of flax which is linen.
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Re: Archeological question
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11/12/23 01:04 PM
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Likely some gentiles were there before Abraham ever went there. But it would be impossible for muslims to be there first because they were not on earth first. Right. Since the lineage of the Jews and Muslims both go back to Abraham, they pretty much both are the same age. But, to be fair, Abraham was not a muslim. But i dont think theres any proof nobody was there before Abraham got there. I think its unlikely he was first. Likely some other human had pitched a tent there before him.
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Re: Archeological question
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11/12/23 01:18 PM
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The archaeology of that region has been politicized since the early 1900's. Everytime there is a finding of any kind of significance it is used by the various interest groups to bolster their claims. Every country and religion and political organization do it and it annoys the piss out of archaeologists unless you are the archaeologist collecting the pay check. Dang Joseph's grave has been found at least a half dozen times. Evidence of Hebrew writing has been found on Sumerian tablets under pyramids in Egypt, that was later found out to be fraud. The Shroud of Turin is only about 400 years old and is a fake done by the Catholic church. The Palestinians also know that an archaeological excavation can take years or decades just to find nothing significant to anybodies' cause so its a good stall tactic. You have any evidence to back any of these claims beyond, “I’m an archeologist”? It’s apparent through the history of your post since the time I’ve been on this site that you have a resentment against any biblical archeology. The shroud is not a catholic relic… it wasn’t even under catholic control until very recently. All scientific evidence I’ve seen in no way points to it being new, or a forgery. Archeology is extremely interesting and I respect all in the field, but don’t make false claims under the guise of, I’m an archeologist… so my word is gospel. I'm not against Biblical Archaeology at all, its a nice magazine. The majority it is directed at proving a hypothesis instead of refuting a hypothesis. So by standard, it does not follow the scientific method. And the shroud is indeed a forgery. The C-14 evidence, the phytolith analysis, the neutron activation analysis, metallurgical analysis, XRF, and DNA analysis all are in agreement that it is a forgery. C-14 says it is 400-450 yrs old, phytolith anlaysis says the shroud is from central Italy, neutron activation says the various paints are from Italy, Spain, and France. Metallurgical analysis says the stuff that looks like blood are iron and lead based paint, XRF analysis says there is a good bit of chromium and cyanide in the paints, and DNA says that the stuff that looks like human blood is not blood at all but rather metal based paint, and the shroud is made of flax which is linen. Skinny done went all technical on us.
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Re: Archeological question
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11/12/23 01:26 PM
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He asked if there was evidence, so I shortly explained it. There are several books about all the evidence that the shroud is a fraud and a lot of ideas about why the fraud was created. Its one of the more successful archaeological frauds of all time, kinda like that 500 year old meteor that the Muslims like to touch at Mecca. Its just another damn meteor and we have one just like it right here in Alabama that actually hit a person so that makes ours a lot more cool.
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Re: Archeological question
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Likely some gentiles were there before Abraham ever went there. But it would be impossible for muslims to be there first because they were not on earth first. Right. Since the lineage of the Jews and Muslims both go back to Abraham, they pretty much both are the same age. But, to be fair, Abraham was not a muslim. But i dont think theres any proof nobody was there before Abraham got there. I think its unlikely he was first. Likely some other human had pitched a tent there before him. No Abraham was not a Muslim, or Palestinian. We can assume he was a Jew since we are told he was one of God's Chosen people.
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Re: Archeological question
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The archaeology of that region has been politicized since the early 1900's. Everytime there is a finding of any kind of significance it is used by the various interest groups to bolster their claims. Every country and religion and political organization do it and it annoys the piss out of archaeologists unless you are the archaeologist collecting the pay check. Dang Joseph's grave has been found at least a half dozen times. Evidence of Hebrew writing has been found on Sumerian tablets under pyramids in Egypt, that was later found out to be fraud. The Shroud of Turin is only about 400 years old and is a fake done by the Catholic church. The Palestinians also know that an archaeological excavation can take years or decades just to find nothing significant to anybodies' cause so its a good stall tactic. You have any evidence to back any of these claims beyond, “I’m an archeologist”? It’s apparent through the history of your post since the time I’ve been on this site that you have a resentment against any biblical archeology. The shroud is not a catholic relic… it wasn’t even under catholic control until very recently. All scientific evidence I’ve seen in no way points to it being new, or a forgery. Archeology is extremely interesting and I respect all in the field, but don’t make false claims under the guise of, I’m an archeologist… so my word is gospel. I'm not against Biblical Archaeology at all, its a nice magazine. The majority it is directed at proving a hypothesis instead of refuting a hypothesis. So by standard, it does not follow the scientific method. And the shroud is indeed a forgery. The C-14 evidence, the phytolith analysis, the neutron activation analysis, metallurgical analysis, XRF, and DNA analysis all are in agreement that it is a forgery. C-14 says it is 400-450 yrs old, phytolith anlaysis says the shroud is from central Italy, neutron activation says the various paints are from Italy, Spain, and France. Metallurgical analysis says the stuff that looks like blood are iron and lead based paint, XRF analysis says there is a good bit of chromium and cyanide in the paints, and DNA says that the stuff that looks like human blood is not blood at all but rather metal based paint, and the shroud is made of flax which is linen. I read an article that agrees with the 4400-500 year old data on the shroud but where the article deviates is that the samples tested were from a patch to repair the shroud from fire damage which does actually fit that time frame
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Re: Archeological question
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That was the old original test from the 1980's when the sample size was a large cutting taken from a damaged section of the shroud. Later tests were done in to 2000's with AMS dating (Accelerator Mass Spectrometer) with multiple samples from different parts of the shroud. Its about 450 years old.
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Re: Archeological question
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Likely some gentiles were there before Abraham ever went there. But it would be impossible for muslims to be there first because they were not on earth first. Right. Since the lineage of the Jews and Muslims both go back to Abraham, they pretty much both are the same age. But, to be fair, Abraham was not a muslim. But i dont think theres any proof nobody was there before Abraham got there. I think its unlikely he was first. Likely some other human had pitched a tent there before him. No Abraham was not a Muslim, or Palestinian. We can assume he was a Jew since we are told he was one of God's Chosen people. Yessir, exactly. So he was the first we have record of being there. And God himself , who made the land, gave it to Abraham and said it was his forever.
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