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Re: is it legal for doves?
[Re: XVIII]
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09/06/12 11:26 AM
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The laws are so vague that it would be considered perfectly legal by one LEO and ticketed by the next, and it would be upheld depending entirely on the judge & the offender's bank account.
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Re: is it legal for doves?
[Re: XVIII]
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09/06/12 11:36 AM
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and to add...some of the wheat has already germinated but he continues to add even yesterday. he agreed not to put out anymore for a few weeks. my thoughts were that if i go and make sure all is covered today, with some already growing, that all would be fine???
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Re: is it legal for doves?
[Re: XVIII]
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09/06/12 12:40 PM
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From a 2011 article about top-sewing wheat for doves, "“Another thing is multiple seeding. The Extension System does not recommend more than one seeding. Therefore, if the field is seeded more than once, it would make the field illegal to hunt doves over ... ” http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/doveplanting11.cfmI would either err on the conservative side or set aside a pile of cash for just in case.
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Re: is it legal for doves?
[Re: wmd]
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09/06/12 01:10 PM
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From a 2011 article about top-sewing wheat for doves, "“Another thing is multiple seeding. The Extension System does not recommend more than one seeding. Therefore, if the field is seeded more than once, it would make the field illegal to hunt doves over ... ” http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/doveplanting11.cfmI would either err on the conservative side or set aside a pile of cash for just in case. good link wmd...thanks for passing along
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Re: is it legal for doves?
[Re: XVIII]
#400418
09/06/12 03:26 PM
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From a 2011 article about top-sewing wheat for doves, "“Another thing is multiple seeding. The Extension System does not recommend more than one seeding. Therefore, if the field is seeded more than once, it would make the field illegal to hunt doves over ... ” http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/doveplanting11.cfmI would either err on the conservative side or set aside a pile of cash for just in case. good link wmd...thanks for passing along Is the earth around the pond considered a field though? Normal agricultural purposes (farming, crops, etc...) don't really have much to do with growing vegetation around a pond to stop erosion. Seems like a normal process to me to get some ground cover to keep dirt out of the pond. But pile up some cash anyway, just in case
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Re: is it legal for doves?
[Re: XVIII]
#400686
09/07/12 07:24 AM
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Don't forget about what the Feds say, too.
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Re: is it legal for doves?
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09/07/12 08:28 AM
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The seed can be "top sowed" meaning not covered, since it is an accepted agricultural practice. Further, there does not even have to be a well prepared seedbed. Just understand that this is more "risky" because less seed will germinate. That's what the DCNR says. That is not what the DCNR website says: the Extension System recognizes that top-sown wheat is a bona fide planting practice under conditions where there is good seed bed preparation and the ground is not excessively hard. http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/doveplanting11.cfm
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Re: is it legal for doves?
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09/07/12 09:43 AM
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The seed can be "top sowed" meaning not covered, since it is an accepted agricultural practice. Further, there does not even have to be a well prepared seedbed. Just understand that this is more "risky" because less seed will germinate. That's what the DCNR says. That is not what the DCNR website says: the Extension System recognizes that top-sown wheat is a bona fide planting practice under conditions where there is good seed bed preparation and the ground is not excessively hard. http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/doveplanting11.cfm and the fact that the area described is a newly constructed lake, all of the surrounding area is newly (this summer) turned soil/fill that was hydroseeded, some planted with browntop, silt fenced and top sewn
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Re: is it legal for doves?
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09/07/12 10:34 AM
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The seed can be "top sowed" meaning not covered, since it is an accepted agricultural practice. Further, there does not even have to be a well prepared seedbed. Just understand that this is more "risky" because less seed will germinate. That's what the DCNR says. That is not what the DCNR website says: the Extension System recognizes that top-sown wheat is a bona fide planting practice under conditions where there is good seed bed preparation and the ground is not excessively hard. http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/doveplanting11.cfm I agree that you're "safest" to go a ahead and disc a bit. This is the document that I was referring to: on the second page, bottom right hand paragraph it says: "Recommended practices of planting grain without a prepared seedbed are: (1) no till drilling; (2) broadcasting small grains into the cotton stubble that remains after harvest followed by mowing the cotton stubble; and (3) aerial seeding small grains into standing crops such as cotton or soybeans prior to defoliation or leaf drop."
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Re: is it legal for doves?
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09/07/12 10:35 AM
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This is the link, if you're interested. Second page, bottom right hand corner http://outdooralabama.com/hunting/game/DoveBrochurefinal.pdf"Recommended practices of planting grain without a prepared seedbed are: (1) no till drilling; (2) broadcasting small grains into the cotton stubble that remains after harvest followed by mowing the cotton stubble; and (3) aerial seeding small grains into standing crops such as cotton or soybeans prior to defoliation or leaf drop."
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Re: is it legal for doves?
[Re: XVIII]
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09/07/12 11:26 AM
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Clem
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If nothing else, this thread has alerted the DCNR and USFWS to not only at least this site's situation but a question they're probably discussing for future reference.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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