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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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08/30/23 03:24 PM
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AlabamaSwamper
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Killing every deer you see to survive is a wee bit different than someone shooting a 4 pt or two every year.
BTR Scorer in NW Alabama
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: hallb]
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08/30/23 05:48 PM
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Northwest Alabama
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It’s not that I have a problem directly with the cell cams or corn because I don’t. Really it just frustrates me when people are shooting the young stud bucks whether it’s over a corn/cell cam combo or not. I just think it’s happening a whole lot more with the onslaught of baiting and cell cams.
I genuinely would not lose any sleep or be frustrated over a neighbor shooting a mature buck; even with having used a cell cam or corn. The frustration comes from those deer that have the most potential getting shot at 2-3 years old. Why does everyone have to have the same goals as you? I don’t get that. Grow out of shooting young bucks? Some people just go hunt and shoot what they want to for whatever reason they want. Why should your goals be forced on others? I personally use corn and cell cams and choose not to shoot young bucks. Didn’t shoot a buck last season. You’re also lumping all hunters that use corn and cell cams into the same category of hunters. Again, I don't have a direct issue with cell cams or corn or the people that use them, rather it's with people continually shooting the stud young bucks and never progressing. It's not about forcing my goals on others; it's about being a good steward of the resource. For the same reason nobody on here wants someone shooting 15 gobblers a year or 25 bucks a year, I don't want people shooting all the stud young bucks year after year in perpetuity because said things are bad stewardship of the resource we all share whether it's on your own property said things occur on or not. And it's not even about trophy hunting/big racks as some young deer have just that. It's about progressing to the challenge of killing a mature buck and having a better age structure, among other things, on the landscape that results in healthier herds. Big racks are icing on the cake of older age class management. It's not always about what you want to do; sometimes it has to be about what you should do. As one person mentioned, the early English settlers WANTED to shoot all the Bison, but at some point, it should've become about what they SHOULD'VE done rather than what they wanted to do. Many loggers and timber buyers WANT to cut through every single perennial creek in AL. It's their timber/their land what does it matter to you?! Same concept here as said practice effects all of those around you therefore you should begin to consider what is good for the resource in addition to what you want. I know this makes people mad, but I'm not one to filter my thoughts on a matter for the sake of not hurting feelings.
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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08/30/23 07:29 PM
08/30/23 07:29 PM
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Crenshaw
CrappieMan
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It’s not that I have a problem directly with the cell cams or corn because I don’t. Really it just frustrates me when people are shooting the young stud bucks whether it’s over a corn/cell cam combo or not. I just think it’s happening a whole lot more with the onslaught of baiting and cell cams.
I genuinely would not lose any sleep or be frustrated over a neighbor shooting a mature buck; even with having used a cell cam or corn. The frustration comes from those deer that have the most potential getting shot at 2-3 years old. Why does everyone have to have the same goals as you? I don’t get that. Grow out of shooting young bucks? Some people just go hunt and shoot what they want to for whatever reason they want. Why should your goals be forced on others? I personally use corn and cell cams and choose not to shoot young bucks. Didn’t shoot a buck last season. You’re also lumping all hunters that use corn and cell cams into the same category of hunters. Again, I don't have a direct issue with cell cams or corn or the people that use them, rather it's with people continually shooting the stud young bucks and never progressing. It's not about forcing my goals on others; it's about being a good steward of the resource. For the same reason nobody on here wants someone shooting 15 gobblers a year or 25 bucks a year, I don't want people shooting all the stud young bucks year after year in perpetuity because said things are bad stewardship of the resource we all share whether it's on your own property said things occur on or not. And it's not even about trophy hunting/big racks as some young deer have just that. It's about progressing to the challenge of killing a mature buck and having a better age structure, among other things, on the landscape that results in healthier herds. Big racks are icing on the cake of older age class management. It's not always about what you want to do; sometimes it has to be about what you should do. As one person mentioned, the early English settlers WANTED to shoot all the Bison, but at some point, it should've become about what they SHOULD'VE done rather than what they wanted to do. Many loggers and timber buyers WANT to cut through every single perennial creek in AL. It's their timber/their land what does it matter to you?! Same concept here as said practice effects all of those around you therefore you should begin to consider what is good for the resource in addition to what you want. I know this makes people mad, but I'm not one to filter my thoughts on a matter for the sake of not hurting feelings. A dead 2 yr old is the same as a dead 5 yr old. DEAD! It's not the same as killingb15 turkeys, it's 1 deer. I want my bunch to progress evertime rhe kill the next deer but that has nothing to-do with anybody else. There's a little to be said about minding your own bussiness!
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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08/30/23 08:14 PM
08/30/23 08:14 PM
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I got my own place and it more enjoyable - lot less drama
I would lov to be able to kill big deer but u got to hav em first - i hav lost several solid deer on camera - but not huge deal - if it like that every year or it got to where i never had good deer - i can do something else - lot of the fun would b gone. W that said - i will likely never hav many 130 inch deer. My good deer r lot diff than some of the studs that show up on this site
I said leave it bettr than u found it earlier because that a good thing - but really not about the heart of what being talked about here - i said it cause thats a good thing to remember - what everybody does and how they do it is on them and there biz
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: Sasquatch Lives]
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08/30/23 08:30 PM
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Northwest Alabama
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Deer hunting has become a pitiful sight, corn dumpers are the norm, very few can read deer sign worth a shucks, much less be able to track a blood trail. High fence losers with no skills thumping their chests over the penned up buck they shot, and dudes paying big $ to outfitters to scout, hang their stand for em and tell them which deer to shoot. An environment of apathy is what breeds such a negative response to a higher standard of practice. "Everybody wants to kill big bucks, but nobody wants to do what it takes to kill big bucks"
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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08/30/23 08:44 PM
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Deer hunting has become a pitiful sight, corn dumpers are the norm, very few can read deer sign worth a shucks, much less be able to track a blood trail. High fence losers with no skills thumping their chests over the penned up buck they shot, and dudes paying big $ to outfitters to scout, hang their stand for em and tell them which deer to shoot. An environment of apathy is what breeds such a negative response to a higher standard of practice. "Everybody wants to kill big bucks, but nobody wants to do what it takes to kill big bucks" Who told you everybody wants to kill big bucks? I mount a pile of deer every year and most are 120 inch or less. All of them were happy or they wouldn't have mounted them. Maybe you want everybody to pass up deer so you can kill them yourself later!
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: CrappieMan]
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08/30/23 08:57 PM
08/30/23 08:57 PM
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Mobile, AL
Pwyse
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Deer hunting has become a pitiful sight, corn dumpers are the norm, very few can read deer sign worth a shucks, much less be able to track a blood trail. High fence losers with no skills thumping their chests over the penned up buck they shot, and dudes paying big $ to outfitters to scout, hang their stand for em and tell them which deer to shoot. An environment of apathy is what breeds such a negative response to a higher standard of practice. "Everybody wants to kill big bucks, but nobody wants to do what it takes to kill big bucks" Who told you everybody wants to kill big bucks? I mount a pile of deer every year and most are 120 inch or less. All of them were happy or they wouldn't have mounted them. Maybe you want everybody to pass up deer so you can kill them yourself later! That’s the silliest argument I’ve ever heard Triple J. Did they let a 150” deer walk and chose to shoot the smaller 120”? If not, then they shot the 120” deer because they felt like it was their best chance to shoot a buck they consider big enough to mount. All he is saying is, Alabama can have bigger bucks over all if people stop killing young 120” deer. Everyone who has ever learned anything about deer management would agree with that.
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: CrappieMan]
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08/30/23 08:59 PM
08/30/23 08:59 PM
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Northwest Alabama
SEWoodsWhitetail
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Deer hunting has become a pitiful sight, corn dumpers are the norm, very few can read deer sign worth a shucks, much less be able to track a blood trail. High fence losers with no skills thumping their chests over the penned up buck they shot, and dudes paying big $ to outfitters to scout, hang their stand for em and tell them which deer to shoot. An environment of apathy is what breeds such a negative response to a higher standard of practice. "Everybody wants to kill big bucks, but nobody wants to do what it takes to kill big bucks" Who told you everybody wants to kill big bucks? I mount a pile of deer every year and most are 120 inch or less. All of them were happy or they wouldn't have mounted them. Maybe you want everybody to pass up deer so you can kill them yourself later! I think it’s pretty widely recognized that’s most people’s end goal… Maybe you want everybody to be happy killing the babies so there will be more deer to mount! All these accusations that I just want people to do it my way followed up by the same people saying I should just do it their way and not care about anything nor have a desire to strive for anything greater than mediocrity. A post that originated in a statement of opinion on a concern of the over harvest of young bucks turns into people getting mad that I think hunters should progess in knowledge and practice beyond the norm. A concept that should apply to every facet of life
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: Pwyse]
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08/30/23 09:10 PM
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Crenshaw
CrappieMan
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Deer hunting has become a pitiful sight, corn dumpers are the norm, very few can read deer sign worth a shucks, much less be able to track a blood trail. High fence losers with no skills thumping their chests over the penned up buck they shot, and dudes paying big $ to outfitters to scout, hang their stand for em and tell them which deer to shoot. An environment of apathy is what breeds such a negative response to a higher standard of practice. "Everybody wants to kill big bucks, but nobody wants to do what it takes to kill big bucks" Who told you everybody wants to kill big bucks? I mount a pile of deer every year and most are 120 inch or less. All of them were happy or they wouldn't have mounted them. Maybe you want everybody to pass up deer so you can kill them yourself later! That’s the silliest argument I’ve ever heard Triple J. Did they let a 150” deer walk and chose to shoot the smaller 120”? If not, then they shot the 120” deer because they felt like it was their best chance to shoot a buck they consider big enough to mount. All he is saying is, Alabama can have bigger bucks over all if people stop killing young 120” deer. Everyone who has ever learned anything about deer management would agree with that. I never mentioned anything about passing up a 150 inch deer. 90 percent of all alabama deer won't see 150 no matter the age.
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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08/30/23 09:31 PM
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kodiak06
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It’s not that I have a problem directly with the cell cams or corn because I don’t. Really it just frustrates me when people are shooting the young stud bucks whether it’s over a corn/cell cam combo or not. I just think it’s happening a whole lot more with the onslaught of baiting and cell cams.
I genuinely would not lose any sleep or be frustrated over a neighbor shooting a mature buck; even with having used a cell cam or corn. The frustration comes from those deer that have the most potential getting shot at 2-3 years old. Why does everyone have to have the same goals as you? I don’t get that. Grow out of shooting young bucks? Some people just go hunt and shoot what they want to for whatever reason they want. Why should your goals be forced on others? I personally use corn and cell cams and choose not to shoot young bucks. Didn’t shoot a buck last season. You’re also lumping all hunters that use corn and cell cams into the same category of hunters. Again, I don't have a direct issue with cell cams or corn or the people that use them, rather it's with people continually shooting the stud young bucks and never progressing. It's not about forcing my goals on others; it's about being a good steward of the resource. An individual shooting ANY deer they choose doesn't make them a bad steward of resources LMAO. Your OPINION of what someone shoots doesn't mean squat unless it's on your personal property. That young stud eats as good as any young forky lol. You ain't been hungry enough
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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08/30/23 09:44 PM
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North AL
AU338MAG
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It’s not that I have a problem directly with the cell cams or corn because I don’t. Really it just frustrates me when people are shooting the young stud bucks whether it’s over a corn/cell cam combo or not. I just think it’s happening a whole lot more with the onslaught of baiting and cell cams.
I genuinely would not lose any sleep or be frustrated over a neighbor shooting a mature buck; even with having used a cell cam or corn. The frustration comes from those deer that have the most potential getting shot at 2-3 years old. Why does everyone have to have the same goals as you? I don’t get that. Grow out of shooting young bucks? Some people just go hunt and shoot what they want to for whatever reason they want. Why should your goals be forced on others? I personally use corn and cell cams and choose not to shoot young bucks. Didn’t shoot a buck last season. You’re also lumping all hunters that use corn and cell cams into the same category of hunters. Again, I don't have a direct issue with cell cams or corn or the people that use them, rather it's with people continually shooting the stud young bucks and never progressing. It's not about forcing my goals on others; it's about being a good steward of the resource. For the same reason nobody on here wants someone shooting 15 gobblers a year or 25 bucks a year, I don't want people shooting all the stud young bucks year after year in perpetuity because said things are bad stewardship of the resource we all share whether it's on your own property said things occur on or not. And it's not even about trophy hunting/big racks as some young deer have just that. It's about progressing to the challenge of killing a mature buck and having a better age structure, among other things, on the landscape that results in healthier herds. Big racks are icing on the cake of older age class management. It's not always about what you want to do; sometimes it has to be about what you should do. As one person mentioned, the early English settlers WANTED to shoot all the Bison, but at some point, it should've become about what they SHOULD'VE done rather than what they wanted to do. Many loggers and timber buyers WANT to cut through every single perennial creek in AL. It's their timber/their land what does it matter to you?! Same concept here as said practice effects all of those around you therefore you should begin to consider what is good for the resource in addition to what you want. I know this makes people mad, but I'm not one to filter my thoughts on a matter for the sake of not hurting feelings. Keep on beating that 🐎
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: Jdkprp70]
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08/30/23 09:54 PM
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Northwest Alabama
SEWoodsWhitetail
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True words SE, it doesn't matter if people agree with you. As long as you speak the truth, your good with me! Appreciate it! Some people are satisfied with the same ole same ole, and I’m unapologetically not one of those. To kinda play on a saying from Saban, you’re either working towards making the deer herd better, or you’re working towards making the deer herd worse. There’s no staying the same.
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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08/30/23 10:21 PM
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True words SE, it doesn't matter if people agree with you. As long as you speak the truth, your good with me! Appreciate it! Some people are satisfied with the same ole same ole, and I’m unapologetically not one of those. To kinda play on a saying from Saban, you’re either working towards making the deer herd better, or you’re working towards making the deer herd worse. There’s no staying the same. Lol who defines what is better . There are more than one way to manage deer herds
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Re: How Y'all Feel About...?
[Re: Frankie]
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08/30/23 10:29 PM
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SEWoodsWhitetail
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True words SE, it doesn't matter if people agree with you. As long as you speak the truth, your good with me! Appreciate it! Some people are satisfied with the same ole same ole, and I’m unapologetically not one of those. To kinda play on a saying from Saban, you’re either working towards making the deer herd better, or you’re working towards making the deer herd worse. There’s no staying the same. Lol who defines what is better . There are more than one way to manage deer herds Scientific fact. More balanced sex ratios and age structures are better for hunters and herds.
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