This is mostly in line with my opinion. Ukraine was a huge money laundering operation before this war started. We started messing around in this country back in the Obama years. Major politicians kids and family members were appointed to the boards of big companies over there and taking in the cash. Russia ruined that party and now here we are shoveling tons of tax payer dollars over there so the elites can try to cash in while they can, just in case Russia ends up winning. The defense contractors/establishment GOP win because they get more govt cheese to produce munitions. The DNC wins because a ton of the money appropriated for social causes and “rebuilding” over there are going right back into their coffers for this next election. The Chinese win because the US is exhausting its munitions and resources so if they decide to invade Taiwan, there won’t be anything we can do about it. When both parties support something, we ought to be skeptical. If the rest of Europe were scared Putin was going to start trying to conquer their continent they should be the ones putting up. Not us. After two world wars if the European countries haven’t figured out how to defend themselves by now, then that’s their fault.

Just have Putin and Zelenskyy meet in a duel. leave all the common folks out of it.

Russia didn't ruin the party. They were the party. They were the rotten core in Ukraine. Burisma, is a Russian corp. They were what was driving the corruption in Ukraine. Once the Ukrainian pushed the Russians out politically, they invaded militarily.

Europe is scared especially Poland. They are contributing, some even more so than us, if you consider the percentage compared to their GDP. Gross contribution wise, we have probably done more, but we're the big boys on the block. That being said, smaller countries like great Britain are a close second.
I don't see it as us exhausting our munitions, because we are ramping up production of newer and better weapons. Not to mention expediting the building of chip production plants in this country. So in a few years, we won't be dependent on Taiwan.

Слава Украине!

So all the US elites that were raking in cash via family members/shell corps were really doing so because of Russian influence in Ukraine and that’s why they want to push Russia out of Ukraine? That logic doesn’t track. You can bet your ass if the Biden’s were making a buck off Russia they’d do everything they could to ensure Russia controlled the entire country.

Our tax dollars are being wasted at the risk of possible nuclear war. No matter how anyone tries to spin it this is the truth. This could have been settled already but our countries leadership scuttled that opportunity. Our elected representatives are going to drag this conflict out as long as possible because it lines their pockets.

Have you read or saw some of his posts?

Goodman. Honest question. Yes Russia is a bad player, everyone can agree with that, but do "you" honestly think that the rest of Ukraine is honest, honorable, hard-working and pure as the driven snow? Corruption is the national pastime in Ukraine and it's #1 business and export and it has been that way for a long long time. It's not just Burisma, it's the entire Ukrainian govt, banks and pretty much any big business over there. Pres Z is busy lining his family's pockets too. Prior to becoming president, he was a comedian. Saw something that when all this started, his wife declared something like 10 million in cash and jewelry that they were traveling with when she and the children were evacuated/crossing the border. No telling how much they have in other banks, investments and offshore. You think he made all that $$ telling jokes and acting on Ukrainian TV? To quote Biden, "C'mon man". I'm honestly afraid that if you dont pull your head out of the sand soon, you're most likely going to suffocate.

You know what I love... skipping 1/2 the facts. We only want discuss what happened AFTER Russia invaded but some here either don't understand or don't want to understand what all happened leading up to Russia's invasion.

We just want to label what took place and the Biden's administrations foreign policy FAILURE as "nekkid aggression" and Putin = Bad. Just like Orange Man = Bad ...... The news media has thrown hail mary casts all over the pond and they've got Fish ON!

You can't even pull up new articles on the internet anymore featuring Kamala Harris running around Europe talking about admitting Ukraine to NATO back in 2021. You also can't pull up the same comments from that dumbass Blinken who apparently got his appointed position for playing a major role in the Biden Laptop coverup. He point blank said that the United States wanted to assist Ukraine in joining NATO. What they say matters. This isn't a game.

In February 2014 there was a coup in Ukraine that we played a role in. In May 2014 Biden was in Ukraine setting up this government. In May 2014 Hunter became a partner in Burisma. Lot of corruption goes on and a lot of rhetoric gets thrown around about some serious issues between 2014 and 2022 when Russia invades.

What is this war really about? On some level that is as a question that is hard to answer but what we see has happened here... Russia threw the first punch. And just like on the playground they then "started the fight". This is exactly that. But the real question is why? And how did we get into a fight in the first place?

Would the United States let Russia come over to Mexico and install a Communist Government? What would the United States do about that? Why are we over there meddling in the first place? What strategic interest did Ukraine have for the U.S.? Maybe it was just a great place for our politicians to launder money so we wanted it to ourselves.


It is very apparent that some making comments on here became something other than a stain on their momma's dress after the USSR fell. That's obvious. They have no frame of refence to the Cold War, European foreign policy, nuclear weapons or the threats there involved.

This ain't the Taliban. The Taliban who won the last war we were involved in. This is much more serious.

It is called Fort Homosel now.

Kill Americans?

Bull Doodoo........

Now there you go again Goat, dont be bringing truth into an emotional discussion.

And to answer one of the questions you asked above, I think if Russia wanted to come in and instill a communist govt in Mexico, I dont think that Biden or anyone in his cabinet would do the first single dang thing. They'd bad mouth it to start with and say it didnt need to happen, but once they found out they didn't have any real options to stop it, ole KJP and the lapdog media would begin to spin Russia being there as a positive thing and it was all the republican's fault that it happened.

Here is the map for anyone interested. Rucker is a target in a 2000 warhead release which is why I previously said that Goodman didn't have a nuke aimed at him. He does. I was looking at a 600 warhead map.

I'm vaporized.

Whoever thinks this isn't a real threat need a reality check. As I stated earlier the United States spent 40 years trying to prevent this from happening. Now we just assume it is not a "real" threat because Biden's team said so.

We are in a war with Russia. This is how it could potentially end if someone gets desperate or things get out of control even through and during a collapse of the Russian government. If someone F's Up.... Boom.

We aren't playing with Hadji no more.

I'll try to answer you and cee hawk in the same response because it's relative. What I'm saying is, when folks talk about the corruption in Ukraines past. That's really Russian corruption. Sorta like blaming Ukraine for causing a reactor meltdown. It happened in Ukraine, but it was the fault of the Russians. The timeframe ceehawk was talking about was also when Russia was involved in Ukraine. To me, it looked like they was trying to separate themselves from Russia. The Russians thought so too, so they invaded. There's a lot of evidence to support my theory. The fact that they investigated the guy that was paying of hunter b suggests that as well. When the Russians have corrupted your government, your banks, your businesses and even your military how do you separate Ukrainian corruption from Russian corruption. The invasion suggests they were trying to separate themselves from the Russian corruption.
As for the part about pres Z. Have you ever thought maybe the guy was already rich. That's kind of a leap to say he was a comedian so now he must be corrupt. What if folks said. Trump was a reality TV show host, now look at him, must be corruption. What a leap. I read zelensky's wife was already wealthy. But I don't know enough about them to say. Seems to me though, if he was a corrupt pol. He would of sold out, took the Russian money and went on his way. Instead he took on the mighty Russian army putting his life on the line. You think he did that hoping Biden would make a better offer? Seems like a foolish gamble to me. If you was a corrupt pol, which pathh would you of chosen?

Quote of the week!!! . Take of our on people at home .nato is a joke

My view is pretty simple. It doesn't matter to me that Ukraine did or has a corrupt gov't. They don't have as their goal to rebuild and expand the old Soviet Empire, nor do they have the fall of the U.S. as one of their stated goals. Russia has both of those goals, therefore, they need to lose this war and badly so they will run with their tails tucked or the regime and mindset is changed. The fact that Putin is a madman and may be dying of cancer does concern me if he feels like he has nothing else to lose while his finger is on the button.

or maybe, just maybe, Z quickly found out, long before Russia invaded, that his gig laundering for the US pays way better than any Russian gig ever would. Remember that Trump asked Z to investigate and turn over the proof associated with Burisma and the Bidens (which Z most certainly would've had access to) and Z declined to do it. Z knew all about Burisma, the supposed kickbacks to the Bidens, etc, yet he did not go after Burisma when he assumed the presidency over there in 2019, a full 2 yrs before Russia invaded.

Kiev, Ukraine
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday brushed aside claims that he was ready to announce an investigation into Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company linked to the son of former Vice President Joe Biden, following a phone call with President Donald Trump.

“I think everybody in Ukraine is so tired about Burisma. We have our own country. We have our independence, we have our problems and questions. That’s it,” Zelensky told CNN after making a statement to the press in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev.

Putin wouldnt have given Ukraine 100's of billions in weapons, ammo, weapons systems, supplies, loans and straight up cold hard US cash, like the US and NATO have, all of which is very readily marketable in today's global economy. Given Ukraines long rich history of corruption, this whole Ukraine deal smells like a huge get rich quick, kickback scam to me and most other people looking at it with open eyes. Pull out of one money pit war in the ME and shift all those funds/dollars straight into one in a country where you already have connections, where you are already well connected to political players, already getting paid, and already know who'll play the game and who wont. Remember, it's starting to look pretty obvious that Joe and Hunter started getting paid in Ukraine back in 2015 and it'll probably turn out, if investigated properly, that Burisma was just the tip of the iceberg of what was and still is going on in Ukraine. I personally think that there are a bunch of people (both repubs and dems) that are lining their pockets over there. It was the perfect place, Russia had already become the boogie man to the entire US population through all the Russia collusion stuff, Col Vindman, Trump's impeachment over the call etc and Ukraine was made by the press to look like a great country just trying to clean itself up, so it wasnt likely that the US voters would turnout in mass to protest our involvement and the cost. It was just the opposite, we need to help Ukraine. There are multiple viewpoints from which this should be looked at and analyzed. IMO, Russia invaded because they did not want another NATO country adjoining Russia "proper". The Baltics (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia) already did but they were and still are negligible in comparison with Ukraine. Like Goat said above, all the formal talk about Ukraine joining NATO by the Biden admin staff and Z himself, certainly helped Putin make the decision to go in. On a side note, the only positive thing about the whole deal is the fact that Russia and Putin are being weakened by their inability to take Ukraine. But at the same time, the US is too. See the ammo shortage articles from earlier in the week and your president openly talking to the world about how bare our cupboard is right now.

So you're saying you would of took your chances with ol crooked Joe not double crossing you and put yourself at the top of the Russian kill list over taking the easy money? I don't see it.
So Russia didn't want another NATO country on their borders? Ain't that exactly what they would have gotten if the SMO would have been successful? IE Poland. Russia isn't scared of NATO. Ukraine agreed to not join NATO, the country with the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world gave up their nuclear arsenal and cluster munitions, agreed not to join NATO, gave Russia a lifetime lease for their naval base in Crimea and access to the black sea. The only thing they asked in return was for Russia not to invade. And they did, twice. Why would you think they're the innocent party here? You've blamed everyone else for greed except Russia and claimed they did it out of fear.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Z chose to throw in with Joe. He was asked specifically, by a sitting US president, to provide the proof of the Biden/Burisma corruption, in 2019, prior to the election and Z made his choice on who he was standing with when he declined to provide it AND then shut down the investigation (see excerpt above of 2019 article by your favorite news source CNN). Russia may not be scared of NATO but they damn sure dont want a NATO country that can and would be used as a FOB, right up against their border if they can prevent it. Then the Biden admin began talking openly about Ukraine joining NATO, as did Z. All prior to the invasion. By the way, your president today, on TV, in front of the whole wide world said that Ukraine would be admitted to NATO and that it was absolutely going to happen. I'm not saying Russia is innocent by any means, but actions and words certainly played a major part, along with America being at its weakest point ever on the world stage. All these thing played major roles and parts in helping Putin decide to invade. Putin wants to put the old USSR back together, he's openly stated it and nobody is denying that fact and yes he's greedy. Most despot dictators are. He was given a reason and the US leadership was weak as well water and he went for it.

Looked like z was hedging his bets. You see how hard they came after Trump at that point. Of course he backed off when they impeached trump. That was the point.
Of course UA talked about joining NATO in 2019. By that point Russia had already broken the peace agreement so all bets were off. And Russia was getting ready to invade again. Who wouldn't ask for help.Its obvious Russia wasn't gonna stop. I don't know why you try to frame the argument like you gotta pick Putin or Biden. In reality it's. Do you support Russia or the guys they chose to invade. It's obvious you and several others support Russia. I'm rooting for the little guy who's fighting for their freedom against the commie invaders. It's pretty simple.
Plus I'm not very good at contorting myself into a pretzel explaining how Russia is the victims in all this.