Originally Posted by crenshawco
Originally Posted by cartervj
Habitat is always key

While planting today I thought about this thread and all the critters I’ve seen at the farm the past 15-20 yrs I’ve hunted it. Plenty of coons and hawks along with a pair of bald eagles and immatures. Yesterday I saw a hen with poults that could barely fly. She had them out in the wide open. We’d burned it down a few weeks ago so there wasn’t anything out there worth eating I thought. 20 hrs ago Thai place was absolutely loaded with birds. Turkeys are making a comeback around here the past few years but I’m wondering why they kinda disappeared.

I just think it was perfect storm coming together caused by a variety and cumulative of happenings.

I’m betting it is a myriad of things mentioned.

The one thing I can’t understand. Why do hunters get a pass as a predator?



Because we don't shoot hens. Shooting gobblers has near to zero effect on turkey populations in every area I've hunted in Alabama.



Who says. Hunters?

That’s a bit jaded wouldn’t you say.

Last research papers I was reading on whitetail and antler expression. They were studying social hierarchy and so forth. Interesting discussions on it and how submissive or otherwise may or may not occur due to changes in the hierarchy.

I remember when I was growing up, the chickens had a pecking order until something changed. I was always intrigued by this. I’ve always felt turkeys are no different.

There is an effect but how significant is questionable.

Then again one talk about the incidental hen killings. Seems to be more common that I thought.
I do bet that one hurts the population.

I haven’t had chickens in years but hear that you gotta have at least one rooster to make the hens lay. If there is not enough gobblers in the population will some hens therefore not participate? I do t know but wonder.
Like my friends pic. That gobbler has 9 hens now, back in March when he showed up he had three. Where’d they come from. David says he’s breeding them all. So if they’re laying and go to nest will the later hatches be less successful? I’ve always heard that to be the case.

Once again it’s kinda laughable that hunters say hunters killing gobblers have no effect on the population.
Of course that’s what they’d say. You may be spot on, but at least explore that
Personally I think there is a point of too many but I have no idea what that number is.


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