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Financing is Tightening
#3900678
04/24/23 05:30 AM
04/24/23 05:30 AM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,166 colbert county
cartervj
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Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/w...100-banks-not-one-will-provide-financing“Credit started tightening six to nine months ago,” said the developer, a close friend, entrepreneur, with large residential projects across the nation. “It started with the money center banks,” he continued. “This pushed us to regional banks for our latest projects, but then SVB happened.” The market froze.
“The lender for our latest 30-story project in a tier-one city backed out, so we scrambled, and spoke with well over 100 banks. Not one will provide financing.” His firm is a leader in their market niche. A strong track record. “We developed properties right through the 2008 cycle. What’s unfolding now is something else, new construction is going to hit the wall. The dramatic pace of interest rate increases has flipped everyone upside down,” he said, well positioned. “Happy to sit on vacant lots. I can be patient.”
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: RCHRR]
#3900686
04/24/23 06:03 AM
04/24/23 06:03 AM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,166 colbert county
cartervj
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Old Mossy Horns
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It needs to hit the wall. 80% of these people buying these new homes can not afford them and will be upside down and under water before the next president is elected. I agree, just trying to figure out the when and how bad
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: RCHRR]
#3900697
04/24/23 06:49 AM
04/24/23 06:49 AM
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Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 8,153 Moundville, Al
SuperSpike
40 Year Old Bowhunting Virgin
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40 Year Old Bowhunting Virgin
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Posts: 8,153
Moundville, Al
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It needs to hit the wall. 80% of these people buying these new homes can not afford them and will be upside down and under water before the next president is elected. You are 100% correct. You’d think this country would’ve learned a thing or 3 from ‘08.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: cartervj]
#3900727
04/24/23 07:48 AM
04/24/23 07:48 AM
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Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,768 Henry county
coldtrail
12 point
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12 point
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Posts: 5,768
Henry county
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If the housing market goes bottoms up I'm ready to buy.
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: RCHRR]
#3900761
04/24/23 08:40 AM
04/24/23 08:40 AM
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Posts: 7,245 Meridianville
DryFire
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Meridianville
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It needs to hit the wall. 80% of these people buying these new homes can not afford them and will be upside down and under water before the next president is elected. Not just home buyers. I'm seen investors buy up entire blocks of new homes for rental properties.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: DryFire]
#3900769
04/24/23 08:49 AM
04/24/23 08:49 AM
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Posts: 14,074 Some Marriott/Auburn
AU7MM08
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It needs to hit the wall. 80% of these people buying these new homes can not afford them and will be upside down and under water before the next president is elected. Not just home buyers. I'm seen investors buy up entire blocks of new homes for rental properties. There are entire build to rent neighborhoods, some are even here in AL. https://www.al.com/business/2022/09...erstead-a-build-to-rent-development.htmlThough I would be confident that interest rates have really curtailed build to rent neighborhoods.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: coldtrail]
#3900791
04/24/23 09:45 AM
04/24/23 09:45 AM
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Posts: 21,806 USA
Remington270
Freak of Nature
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If the housing market goes bottoms up I'm ready to buy. Housing and vehicles will keep going up. Inflation ain’t stopping.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: AU7MM08]
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04/24/23 10:01 AM
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Posts: 3,445 bham
crocker
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It needs to hit the wall. 80% of these people buying these new homes can not afford them and will be upside down and under water before the next president is elected. Not just home buyers. I'm seen investors buy up entire blocks of new homes for rental properties. There are entire build to rent neighborhoods, some are even here in AL. https://www.al.com/business/2022/09...erstead-a-build-to-rent-development.htmlThough I would be confident that interest rates have really curtailed build to rent neighborhoods. We are doing drywall on multiple jobs like this around the country. Most of the are 300 plus houses…all rentals.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: Remington270]
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04/24/23 10:07 AM
04/24/23 10:07 AM
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Posts: 19,166 colbert county
cartervj
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Old Mossy Horns
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colbert county
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If the housing market goes bottoms up I'm ready to buy. Housing and vehicles will keep going up. Inflation ain’t stopping. It will when the economy hits the wall.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: cartervj]
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04/24/23 10:20 AM
04/24/23 10:20 AM
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Posts: 9,198 B'ham
Goatkiller
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Whatever happens.... the plan is to print more money. They don't know how to do anything else this is ALL they did under Obama... when the Country was stagnant for 8 years but the stock markets when up. That's all money printing.
We don't know where this ends or where this leads... The United States has never been in this position before. Other countries certainly have. It did not turn out well for any of them.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: cartervj]
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04/24/23 11:16 AM
04/24/23 11:16 AM
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Posts: 21,806 USA
Remington270
Freak of Nature
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If the housing market goes bottoms up I'm ready to buy. Housing and vehicles will keep going up. Inflation ain’t stopping. It will when the economy hits the wall. I’m not sure that’s true. In the late 70’s the economy was pure trash and prices went to the moon. The money printing is only just beginning.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: cartervj]
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04/24/23 12:34 PM
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Posts: 19,166 colbert county
cartervj
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Old Mossy Horns
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Yeah it’s worrisome for sure It feels like 08 all over but different maybe. Only thing internet about the 70s was dad working 2-3 jobs and gas for my go cart went form .28 to a dollar. We lost our seafood restaurant because of prices and lack of folks being able to afford to drive to work. So employees were non existent Dang I’ve I’ve done talked myself into the 70s scenario
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: cartervj]
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04/24/23 03:30 PM
04/24/23 03:30 PM
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Posts: 1,109 Birmingham,AL
low wall
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One of the guys developing several build to rent neighborhoods in the Birmingham area.....is one of the few large developers left standing after the '08 crunch. My guess is, he'll be fine. He's got large institutional investors ready to buy as soon as he gets them complete. Just like a big apartment complex.
Used to be a lifeguard, until that blue kid got me fired.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: Beer Belly]
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04/24/23 04:12 PM
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Posts: 8,573 Chelsea
Lockjaw
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Here is what is going to happen: They drove the price sky high. Black Rock and others that are "Too Big to Fail" continued purchasing. When is crashed, those businesses will be bailed out, and they will use that bail-out $$ to buy the home of individuals that have been foreclosed on due to the economy.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: crocker]
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04/24/23 04:44 PM
04/24/23 04:44 PM
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Posts: 22,743 Lickskillet, AL
Irishguy
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It needs to hit the wall. 80% of these people buying these new homes can not afford them and will be upside down and under water before the next president is elected. Not just home buyers. I'm seen investors buy up entire blocks of new homes for rental properties. There are entire build to rent neighborhoods, some are even here in AL. https://www.al.com/business/2022/09...erstead-a-build-to-rent-development.htmlThough I would be confident that interest rates have really curtailed build to rent neighborhoods. We are doing drywall on multiple jobs like this around the country. Most of the are 300 plus houses…all rentals. The dream is dying for most folks. We can have people living in homes that are paid off with no mortgage.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: AU7MM08]
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04/24/23 04:48 PM
04/24/23 04:48 PM
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Posts: 2,964 Vinemont, Alabama
GoldenEagle
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It needs to hit the wall. 80% of these people buying these new homes can not afford them and will be upside down and under water before the next president is elected. Not just home buyers. I'm seen investors buy up entire blocks of new homes for rental properties. There are entire build to rent neighborhoods, some are even here in AL. https://www.al.com/business/2022/09...erstead-a-build-to-rent-development.htmlThough I would be confident that interest rates have really curtailed build to rent neighborhoods. Yep. There is a big one on Hwy 278 East of Cullman. Big subdivision being built and most all are rentals.
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Re: Financing is Tightening
[Re: coldtrail]
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04/24/23 04:55 PM
04/24/23 04:55 PM
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Posts: 14,361 ArmPit of the south
DeerNutz0U812_
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If the housing market goes bottoms up I'm ready to buy. Just make sure your credit score is below 740 when you do...I hear that folks that have above 740 will have to start paying an extra percent and the ones that are lower will get a 1.75 percent reduction in their mortgage per obama-xidens bill ...You know...cause thats only fair... Under the revised LLPA pricing structure, a home buyer with a 740 FICO credit score and a 15% to 20% down payment will face a 1% surcharge – an increase of 0.750% compared to the old fee of just 0.250%. When absorbed into a long-term mortgage rate, the increase is the equivalent of slightly less than a quarter percentage point in mortgage rate. On a $400,000 loan with a 6% mortgage rate, that buyer could expect their monthly payment to rise by about $40, according to calculations by Stevens. Meanwhile, buyers with credit scores of 679 or lower will have their fees slashed, resulting in more favorable mortgage rates. For example, a buyer with a 620 FICO credit score with a down payment of 5% or less gets a 1.75% fee discount – a decrease from the old fee rate of 3.50% for that bracket. Aint that a bitch...
Did you know that Beer Nutz are over a Dollar...and Deer Nutz are under a Buck...
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