So the Russians fuel doused our surveillance drone and the drone didnt make it. We have every right to international airspace as they do. But we are openly helping Ukraine so I guess its fair if they take our drone out. They could have just shot it down, there is no guarantee that a fuel spray would take it out. One thing though. The Russian pilot does have skills, gotta give him that.
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878638 03/16/2306:18 AM03/16/2306:18 AM
If the drone operator is non binary black person, that is part of LGQTABCD community and here illegally, then we would go to war with Russia over this hate crime.
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878642 03/16/2306:45 AM03/16/2306:45 AM
If I understood the news correctly they dumped fuel on it twice and when that didn't bring it down, they collided with the propeller. The article said the drone was still able to fly back to international waters where it crashed into the ocean, but not before the operators were able to wipe the computers of any sensitive information.
Did that mean that when the Russians messed with the drone it wasn't over international waters?
The best way to understand the Russian language is to assume that every word is a lie, and believe exactly the opposite is true.
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878645 03/16/2306:51 AM03/16/2306:51 AM
The drone may have been right along the border between international airspace. If the Russians felt it was on the fence line then they actually have an argument for knocking it off the fence. Again, they could have just shot it down but they didnt, which seems to me that they were saying get off the fence line you are too close.
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878654 03/16/2307:13 AM03/16/2307:13 AM
Those Russians don’t realize we have Maverick on speed dial 1. #FAFO
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If I understood the news correctly they dumped fuel on it twice and when that didn't bring it down, they collided with the propeller. The article said the drone was still able to fly back to international waters where it crashed into the ocean, but not before the operators were able to wipe the computers of any sensitive information.
Did that mean that when the Russians messed with the drone it wasn't over international waters?
The best way to understand the Russian language is to assume that every word is a lie, and believe exactly the opposite is true.
This is true. Also applies to our own media outlets.
It took great skill from the pilot right up until he collided with the drone. They are saying now the collision was unintentional which I believe. No way a pilot would intentionally collide with another aircraft unless he expected to be brought down himself. I think they didn't shoot it down because they wanted to recover it intact if at all possible.
Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878677 03/16/2308:06 AM03/16/2308:06 AM
I haven't seen any video yet that shows any collision. Think of an empty tractor trailer hitting an suv with a speed differential of say 50 mph (speed differential appears to be much greater for the two aircraft). Under that scenario, don't you think the "impact" would have been catastrophic and noticeable in the rear facing dash cam? The video doesn't jostle in the slightest = no impact in this video. Also the prop on the drone appears undamaged and nearly stopped. Maybe this was footage of second fuel dump and drone was already disabled and winding down but there is no impact in this video although that is how it is being reported by EVERYONE. Lay your hackles down until we know the truth (if we ever do). I fear we are being sold on WW III. Do we REALLY want that?
Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878690 03/16/2308:40 AM03/16/2308:40 AM
This is how major conflicts get started.... we are playing with FIRE. There is not a single Adult in the room making decisions. And how anyone on this board believes our "intelligence" is beyond comprehension to me. It's a propaganda machine just like everything else coming from Washington. Just look at what happened in Afghanistan. How can you be that wrong. That's a statement not a question.
We need to end this war as quickly as possible before something really bad happens.... like we go to War with Joe Biden and Miley running the show. Something bad is going to happen with this clown show going on in D.C.
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878703 03/16/2309:00 AM03/16/2309:00 AM
The fuel dump is a non issue, Jet fuel vaporizes the second it hits the atmosphere. It looks to me the Russian misjudged his distance and flew too close and hit the drones propeller, he couldn’t have done that on purpose because it would have cause significant damage to his plane as well. Seems if they really wanted to harm the drone, they would have approached from the back, dropped down in front of the drone and “jet wash” it. I would think the propeller drone would have a difficult time trying to recover from the jet wash. Im not defending the Russian action, but what the hell do we have a drone flying that close to ongoing military action? This kind of crap is inching us closer and closer to a war with Putin.
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878711 03/16/2309:13 AM03/16/2309:13 AM
The democrats want war, cause that's how they all get rich. That's another reason they had to make sure to get Trump out of the way. The world was to stable with him in office.
The fuel dump is a non issue, Jet fuel vaporizes the second it hits the atmosphere. It looks to me the Russian misjudged his distance and flew too close and hit the drones propeller, he couldn’t have done that on purpose because it would have cause significant damage to his plane as well. Seems if they really wanted to harm the drone, they would have approached from the back, dropped down in front of the drone and “jet wash” it. I would think the propeller drone would have a difficult time trying to recover from the jet wash. Im not defending the Russian action, but what the hell do we have a drone flying that close to ongoing military action? This kind of crap is inching us closer and closer to a war with Putin.
prop wash isn't that big of a deal for prop driven aircraft unless its taking off or landing. Its easy to recover at altitude. Its alot bigger deal for turbines due to engine stall.
disregard- Reaper has turbo prop engine
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: Skinny]
#3878732 03/16/2310:19 AM03/16/2310:19 AM
I don't know this, someone edumacate me: Is that SU27 dumping fuel or is that exhaust? I didn't know jets dumped fuel out of their engines.
I can't say for sure if it was fuel or EG. But jets can jettison fuel so they can be below max landing weight. Usually its only done if a flight is cut short, Like having to land right after take off.
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Re: Russia vs Drone
[Re: BradB]
#3878748 03/16/2310:51 AM03/16/2310:51 AM
The video clearly shows a prop that is decreasing in rpm. That does not mean that the prop itself is damaged. Maybe it is, I don't know, but if it is, it's not the result of impact with another aircraft. I don't know what the operating rpm of that drone prop is but anyone can plainly see that it is not damaged due to impact. There is not so much as a single discernable knick out of any of those blades whereas they would surely be destroyed, mangled, bent, chipped, something had they been impacted by another aircraft. The prop is not seized, wobbling, missing, no smoke from engine, nothing, it's simply coming to a stop.
If it was impacted, why does the video not show the drone bounce, flinch, lurch, spin out of control? I'm not saying there was no collision, all I'm saying is we are being presented a segment of video as "proof" that a collision occured but there absolutely was no collision in the video they've chosen to show us. You're being shown something and told what to think about it and once you believe what you are told about what you see you will begin to feel a certain way about. This is slight of hand, a magicians trick. Look at it again, what do you actually see? This should be simple, if there was a collision, show the video at the time of impact. The camera will jump at the moment of impact.