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Re: 7mm prc
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01/23/23 11:27 AM
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7mm PRC vs. 7mm Rem Mag....
Really no advantage until you get over 1,000 yards. That's the answer.
The difference is going to be the twist in the rifle barrel and the bullets you are shooting. For long range target shooting... 7mm PRC. For hunting whitetails at 500 yards.... 160's in a 7mm Rem Mag.
Another cartridge that is basically identical to an already existing cartridge. But - That doesn't mean don't like it...
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/23/23 01:33 PM
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Why get a prc when it’s basically the same as the 7 mag No belt is the big thing for reloaders plus no mag action
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/23/23 04:31 PM
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The belt has never bothered me and never understood the big issue with it.
I've never had any problems killing stuff with 140-168 gr bullets with my 7 RM well beyond 300 yards and won't be taking 1000 yard shots at game. I've got a lot of guns to choose from when I open the safe by my cheap M700 ADL SS 7 mm Remington magnum is a trusted friend for many of my hunts.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/23/23 06:21 PM
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The belt has never bothered me and never understood the big issue with it. Same. 7mmPRC is an interesting round but not so much I can't wait to get one built. Hornady has done an outstanding job of releasing and marketing new cartridges all designed to shoot heavy bullets. Problem is, I don't always want to shoot heavy bullets.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/23/23 07:17 PM
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The belt has never bothered me and never understood the big issue with it.
I've never had any problems killing stuff with 140-168 gr bullets with my 7 RM well beyond 300 yards and won't be taking 1000 yard shots at game. I've got a lot of guns to choose from when I open the safe by my cheap M700 ADL SS 7 mm Remington magnum is a trusted friend for many of my hunts. Headspaces off the belt it's fine for getting several firings off a case I've never had a problem either I'd rather reload unbelted. I shoot a 300 win now belt and all lol. I had a 300 imp heavy gun once it's hard to keep belted cases consistent and brass life sux but for hunting its not a issue.
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Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/23/23 07:46 PM
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The belt has never bothered me and never understood the big issue with it.
I've never had any problems killing stuff with 140-168 gr bullets with my 7 RM well beyond 300 yards and won't be taking 1000 yard shots at game. I've got a lot of guns to choose from when I open the safe by my cheap M700 ADL SS 7 mm Remington magnum is a trusted friend for many of my hunts. Headspaces off the belt it's fine for getting several firings off a case I've never had a problem either I'd rather reload unbelted. I shoot a 300 win now belt and all lol. I had a 300 imp heavy gun once it's hard to keep belted cases consistent and brass life sux but for hunting its not a issue. After the first firing I headspace off the shoulder, except of course my 375 H&H. Most factory rifles have a lot of extra space in the chamber and I typically see .018" to .026" stretch in the case.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/24/23 09:04 PM
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Why get a prc when it’s basically the same as the 7 mag Well it's not .good bit of velocity difference and it's not a belted magnum so you get better brass life. They should be throated out for long heavy bullets also.if you don't have a 7mm it's a good choice imo 175-180gr bullets pushing 3000fps and 195 gr over 2800fps.its in 300wsm,300winmag,338-06 category.7mag is marginally better than 308 It isn’t hard to get a 7RM close to 3000fps with a 175 grain. May not be factory but I assume we aren’t worried about that if we are worried about brass life.
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/24/23 10:31 PM
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Good luck.i been studying this crap since a young kid.good bit of difference. You'd have to stomp really hard on a 7mm rem mag to meet performance . It truly hits a sweet spot for alot of people .that data is 7mm rem mag
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/24/23 10:34 PM
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That's hodgdon reloading it gets closer to my chonograpghs than any other data .Lyman being second.not to mention other benefits of cartridge and only 50fps separates every cartridge ever made
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/24/23 10:50 PM
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I agree they keep coming out with same cartridge over and over but this one is in a sweet spot . I got bored with the paw paw cartridges along time ago
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/24/23 11:13 PM
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Check out the video on YouTube from HillCountry Rifles. They shoot the 7prc in 20”,22”,&24”. They shoot it at 300,500,800,& 1000 yards. Very very impressive performance.
I have the 6.5prc and love it. Starting to look at the new fierce rogue in 7prc. Seems fairly inexpensive for what you get. I think fierce is trying to compete with less expensive rifles like the. Christensen Ridgeline.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/24/23 11:14 PM
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About all of that data you posted.
The 7mm RM was assigned a lower MAP by SAAMI years ago due to some pressure anomalies with certain bullets with certain powders. The 7 PRC has a higher MAP of 65K psi compared to the 7mm RM MAP of 61 K psi. All of the max loads you listed top out around 60K psi.
It is entirely safe to run higher than SAAMI MAP in the 7mm RM with modern powders. 3000 FPS is easy with 168 gr bullets in a 24" barrel, and 2900+ FPS with 175 gr bullets would be easy.
I doubt a deer is going to notice the 50-75 FPS difference at any range.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/24/23 11:57 PM
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So roughly 100 fps difference with 20gr heavier bullets for the 7prc not huge and no game will no difference but it is a better cartridge in all respects.not to mention the more inherently accurate shoulder angle
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/25/23 12:04 AM
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Yeah early testing of 7prc had fellers before published data was running 3000+ with no pressure signs.hard to believe in a shorter body case but rok slide,high road and accurate shooter guys are all over this cartridge well before guns have been released and saami specs.not knocking anything just think it's a good one.especially since the only 7mm I have is a 7x57 that's boringly killed DRT everything.lol And it's a tiny light weight short barreled carbine all the fellers here like
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/25/23 12:30 AM
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So roughly 100 fps difference with 20gr heavier bullets for the 7prc not huge and no game will no difference but it is a better cartridge in all respects. Check out the video on YouTube from HillCountry Rifles. They shoot the 7prc in 20”,22”,&24”. They shoot it at 300,500,800,& 1000 yards. Very very impressive performance.
I have the 6.5prc and love it. Starting to look at the new fierce rogue in 7prc. Seems fairly inexpensive for what you get. I think fierce is trying to compete with less expensive rifles like the. Christensen Ridgeline.
If you like accurate weapons….it’s a great time to be alive!!!! 👍 Definitely think 6.5 prc is best all around 6.5 cartridge
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/25/23 10:46 AM
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Answer:
Unless you are shooting past 1,000 yards at targets.... Nobody cares about anything written so far.
Nobody on this board is shooting animals at 1200 yards. Nobody here is hanging their rifles out a shooting house window and taking a 1200 yard shots... we can start there. That's not happening.
So who cares if you can shoot a 175 grain bullet a little better, allegedly, past 1,000 vs. a 7 Mag? These 2 are not the heavy hitters in 7mm either way.
You say BUT Goat..... it burns less powder! ... OR it's more accurate.... Who gives a damn. I don't care about powder if I did I would be shooting as much as I do in the first place. More accurate?... what a joke. Says who? And what does "inherently accurate" even mean? It all depends on the gun and shooter, the wind the air temps, your reloading ability.
BUT - It's a short action or more efficient from a shorter barrel... should we all care now? Nope. I'm not into lightweight rifles I have no fantasy there whatsoever.
No Belt? Nope. Don't care.
We can go on.
Don't hate on the 7mm PRC I like it personally... I am already shooting it. It's fine. I'm not peeing all over myself over it. It's something that fits a niche. It's all marketing from there. I'll get tired of it and get another barrel in the next "groundbreaking" cartridge next month.
I would not trade a 160 Sierra Gameking out of a 7 Mag for whitetails... for any bullet on the planet. From 0-500 yards I don't need a 170+ grain solution to a problem I don't have. No reason to swap a thing anywhere. If you have problems maybe consider starting there.
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Re: 7mm prc
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01/25/23 11:11 AM
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About all of that data you posted.
The 7mm RM was assigned a lower MAP by SAAMI years ago due to some pressure anomalies with certain bullets with certain powders. The 7 PRC has a higher MAP of 65K psi compared to the 7mm RM MAP of 61 K psi. All of the max loads you listed top out around 60K psi.
It is entirely safe to run higher than SAAMI MAP in the 7mm RM with modern powders. 3000 FPS is easy with 168 gr bullets in a 24" barrel, and 2900+ FPS with 175 gr bullets would be easy.
I doubt a deer is going to notice the 50-75 FPS difference at any range. Yeah but that could be another good reason to not gets 7mag technically it can't be ran hard cause of the possible erratic pressure.or probably shouldn't be ran hard to be safe.
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