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Re: WMS Seed Website [Re: buzzard] #3728645
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No disrespect but they are not putting regular oats, wheat and rye into the blends we are using. If they were then I wouldn't be buying it and would buy my own and make it as we did before.
We have compared their blend with the old way of us making our own and theirs has outperformed our old blends hands down. That's on our soils so I know yours may differ. It's easier for me to buy theirs as apposed to me spending my time and money finding awnless Wheat, black oats, specific clovers, etc.
Our fields used to be eaten down to nothing (putting greens) and deer numbers were fair on them. Since going with their triticale, black oats and clover blend we not only see more deer we also are producing 2-3x the biomass then we were before. Again, these are OUR results. The triticale and black oats will never not be planted on our property again. We tried to order these seeds separate and make our own but once we factored in the cost for each, buying from different retailers, etc. it came out to roughly the same price to have them do the mix and us just buy it already done and we dont have the hassle of putting it all together.
I will agree that most buck on bag mixes out there are all the same and can be done on your own. WMS from what we have seen is the exception to that rule.


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Agreed and seen similar

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Re: WMS Seed Website [Re: buzzard] #3729005
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Originally Posted by buzzard
No disrespect but they are not putting regular oats, wheat and rye into the blends we are using. If they were then I wouldn't be buying it and would buy my own and make it as we did before.
We have compared their blend with the old way of us making our own and theirs has outperformed our old blends hands down. That's on our soils so I know yours may differ. It's easier for me to buy theirs as apposed to me spending my time and money finding awnless Wheat, black oats, specific clovers, etc.
Our fields used to be eaten down to nothing (putting greens) and deer numbers were fair on them. Since going with their triticale, black oats and clover blend we not only see more deer we also are producing 2-3x the biomass then we were before. Again, these are OUR results. The triticale and black oats will never not be planted on our property again. We tried to order these seeds separate and make our own but once we factored in the cost for each, buying from different retailers, etc. it came out to roughly the same price to have them do the mix and us just buy it already done and we dont have the hassle of putting it all together.
I will agree that most buck on bag mixes out there are all the same and can be done on your own. WMS from what we have seen is the exception to that rule.



Eagle Seed soybeans are also on a different level than just any ol’ soybean. No experience with their other seeds, but I would guess you get what you pay for.

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Will it grow in sand and rocks?


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Re: WMS Seed Website [Re: buzzard] #3729204
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Don’t know that one

When I used ALabama blend - I saw bunch deer - switched to other seeds last year - saw 5-6 less per sit. I only took one deer off place when fed blend

Not sure if it was the Alabama blend r not

I am trying the magnet this year - Bama blend supposed to b bettr at drawing in deer or little more attractive but magnet feeds year round - Bama blend does not
I got some buddies in a club in S Bama that use the magnet - they just took 136 inch deer last year and got good deer on camera - they been using it for several years and love it

I do think it is bettr seed and diff them just throwing rye - oat - wheat together but both ways kill deer - go w what u like


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Re: WMS Seed Website [Re: Joe4majors] #3729253
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by buzzard
No disrespect but they are not putting regular oats, wheat and rye into the blends we are using. If they were then I wouldn't be buying it and would buy my own and make it as we did before.
We have compared their blend with the old way of us making our own and theirs has outperformed our old blends hands down. That's on our soils so I know yours may differ. It's easier for me to buy theirs as apposed to me spending my time and money finding awnless Wheat, black oats, specific clovers, etc.
Our fields used to be eaten down to nothing (putting greens) and deer numbers were fair on them. Since going with their triticale, black oats and clover blend we not only see more deer we also are producing 2-3x the biomass then we were before. Again, these are OUR results. The triticale and black oats will never not be planted on our property again. We tried to order these seeds separate and make our own but once we factored in the cost for each, buying from different retailers, etc. it came out to roughly the same price to have them do the mix and us just buy it already done and we dont have the hassle of putting it all together.
I will agree that most buck on bag mixes out there are all the same and can be done on your own. WMS from what we have seen is the exception to that rule.



Eagle Seed soybeans are also on a different level than just any ol’ soybean. No experience with their other seeds, but I would guess you get what you pay for.


Follow Mark Buxton on facebook and he will disagree with all this. That being said he has 7 days a week and unlimited funds it seems to work on peoples properties so that helps for sure.

Re: WMS Seed Website [Re: Mully] #3729325
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Originally Posted by Mully
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by buzzard
No disrespect but they are not putting regular oats, wheat and rye into the blends we are using. If they were then I wouldn't be buying it and would buy my own and make it as we did before.
We have compared their blend with the old way of us making our own and theirs has outperformed our old blends hands down. That's on our soils so I know yours may differ. It's easier for me to buy theirs as apposed to me spending my time and money finding awnless Wheat, black oats, specific clovers, etc.
Our fields used to be eaten down to nothing (putting greens) and deer numbers were fair on them. Since going with their triticale, black oats and clover blend we not only see more deer we also are producing 2-3x the biomass then we were before. Again, these are OUR results. The triticale and black oats will never not be planted on our property again. We tried to order these seeds separate and make our own but once we factored in the cost for each, buying from different retailers, etc. it came out to roughly the same price to have them do the mix and us just buy it already done and we dont have the hassle of putting it all together.
I will agree that most buck on bag mixes out there are all the same and can be done on your own. WMS from what we have seen is the exception to that rule.



Eagle Seed soybeans are also on a different level than just any ol’ soybean. No experience with their other seeds, but I would guess you get what you pay for.


Follow Mark Buxton on facebook and he will disagree with all this. That being said he has 7 days a week and unlimited funds it seems to work on peoples properties so that helps for sure.



Mark is an idiot and a jerk.

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I follow Mark, he is using many of the same seeds as what is mentioned above. he makes his own mix from those seeds. More power to him. As also said above, he is running most of that on a high fence operation with an unlimited budget. Again, more power to him.
Mark just wants you to pay him so he can tell you what many of us already know. And yes, I'm sure he knows plenty more, just ask him.

Just an fyi, he is using awnless wheat as his wheat seed he drills into the clover. He is using Barduro Red Clover on those beautiful pink flower clover plots and either 805 or 505 bulldog alfalfa. On his beans I can promise you he isn't using just some random soybean from the coop.
he is also using sun hemp and a climbing cowpea and/or lablab in the other summer plots.
His secret is having the time and $ to manage those crops as they should be.

Maybe this won't turn into another Mark thread smh smile


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I will vouch for wms seeds. We have hunted our place for years and deer have been few and far between. We planted one year of wms deer magnet and we saw more deer, turkeys, hogs etc than ever before. My brother was hating on me for buying the high dollar seeds…about mid season he tells me we have got to keep using this stuff.

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Murphy seed farm, here in north Alabama, grows all wms black oats for their blends. I was told that by WMS, personally. My land is next to where its grown. Plant something else, and it's not gonna work. I promise. I've tried. Personally, I like the Deer Magnet blend best.

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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by Mully
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by buzzard
No disrespect but they are not putting regular oats, wheat and rye into the blends we are using. If they were then I wouldn't be buying it and would buy my own and make it as we did before.
We have compared their blend with the old way of us making our own and theirs has outperformed our old blends hands down. That's on our soils so I know yours may differ. It's easier for me to buy theirs as apposed to me spending my time and money finding awnless Wheat, black oats, specific clovers, etc.
Our fields used to be eaten down to nothing (putting greens) and deer numbers were fair on them. Since going with their triticale, black oats and clover blend we not only see more deer we also are producing 2-3x the biomass then we were before. Again, these are OUR results. The triticale and black oats will never not be planted on our property again. We tried to order these seeds separate and make our own but once we factored in the cost for each, buying from different retailers, etc. it came out to roughly the same price to have them do the mix and us just buy it already done and we dont have the hassle of putting it all together.
I will agree that most buck on bag mixes out there are all the same and can be done on your own. WMS from what we have seen is the exception to that rule.



Eagle Seed soybeans are also on a different level than just any ol’ soybean. No experience with their other seeds, but I would guess you get what you pay for.


Follow Mark Buxton on facebook and he will disagree with all this. That being said he has 7 days a week and unlimited funds it seems to work on peoples properties so that helps for sure.



Mark is an idiot and a jerk.




I agree he is certainly a nut job. I am sure if I made a living doing what he has been doing for all these years I could probably replicate these same plot results.

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Originally Posted by buzzard
I follow Mark, he is using many of the same seeds as what is mentioned above. he makes his own mix from those seeds. More power to him. As also said above, he is running most of that on a high fence operation with an unlimited budget. Again, more power to him.
Mark just wants you to pay him so he can tell you what many of us already know. And yes, I'm sure he knows plenty more, just ask him.

Just an fyi, he is using awnless wheat as his wheat seed he drills into the clover. He is using Barduro Red Clover on those beautiful pink flower clover plots and either 805 or 505 bulldog alfalfa. On his beans I can promise you he isn't using just some random soybean from the coop.
he is also using sun hemp and a climbing cowpea and/or lablab in the other summer plots.
His secret is having the time and $ to manage those crops as they should be.

Maybe this won't turn into another Mark thread smh smile



He is certainly out there. I just had to toss his name out to stir the pot!

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Anyone have any experience with no till of theirs? Found some cheap and we started no till out in front of our camp as it grows a lot better


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Re: WMS Seed Website [Re: buzzard] #3732911
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I used WMS No Till on too small plots last year and it came up fine. Did throw some fertilizer on it, but just broke ground with a rake. Have already bought some more for this year

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Found what I needed today at Cabiness feed in Sylacauga 👍
Other places I’ve called all said they should be getting seed in the next week


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Bought a couple bags of Alabama blend to try. It ain’t cheap for sure at 53 bucks a bag. I’ll try anything once. I like oats so I’ll throw a bag of Black Oats out also.


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It’s a good mix Snuffy, it should do well for you


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Originally Posted by Mully
Originally Posted by buzzard
I follow Mark, he is using many of the same seeds as what is mentioned above. he makes his own mix from those seeds. More power to him. As also said above, he is running most of that on a high fence operation with an unlimited budget. Again, more power to him.
Mark just wants you to pay him so he can tell you what many of us already know. And yes, I'm sure he knows plenty more, just ask him.

Just an fyi, he is using awnless wheat as his wheat seed he drills into the clover. He is using Barduro Red Clover on those beautiful pink flower clover plots and either 805 or 505 bulldog alfalfa. On his beans I can promise you he isn't using just some random soybean from the coop.
he is also using sun hemp and a climbing cowpea and/or lablab in the other summer plots.
His secret is having the time and $ to manage those crops as they should be.

Maybe this won't turn into another Mark thread smh smile



He is certainly out there. I just had to toss his name out to stir the pot!


He seems to be doing quite well for himself.....Just curious, but what is it that y'all find off-putting??? Asking for a friend...... smile


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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Mully
Originally Posted by buzzard
I follow Mark, he is using many of the same seeds as what is mentioned above. he makes his own mix from those seeds. More power to him. As also said above, he is running most of that on a high fence operation with an unlimited budget. Again, more power to him.
Mark just wants you to pay him so he can tell you what many of us already know. And yes, I'm sure he knows plenty more, just ask him.

Just an fyi, he is using awnless wheat as his wheat seed he drills into the clover. He is using Barduro Red Clover on those beautiful pink flower clover plots and either 805 or 505 bulldog alfalfa. On his beans I can promise you he isn't using just some random soybean from the coop.
he is also using sun hemp and a climbing cowpea and/or lablab in the other summer plots.
His secret is having the time and $ to manage those crops as they should be.

Maybe this won't turn into another Mark thread smh smile



He is certainly out there. I just had to toss his name out to stir the pot!


He seems to be doing quite well for himself.....Just curious, but what is it that y'all find off-putting??? Asking for a friend...... smile


For me, I was following some page he has on Facebook. I don’t recall the exact topic, but it was how he responded that’s relevant. I believe he was posting about culling bucks to get rid of the bad genes. If that was the topic, I imagine I would have asked about the effectiveness in free-range deer. He commented something along the lines of “would you go to your doctor and not listen to what he said to do?” My response was I’d want a doctor that would be ok with me asking questions. He blocked me. I’ve lost zero sleep.

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His answer to a question in a post from today tells you enough. A simple answer would have sufficed instead he does like he normally does. It’s the one with the two high fence deer and turkey in it.


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