In freon to refill after 1 of the compressors on my 300 ton chiller blew chunks! And that is discounted. I have 3 compressors. 2 circuits. Right now only 1 circuit is running.

Let's go Brandon!

Always fun. You can thank the EPA and their "green" regs for that BS. Just send the bill to them.

Freon has been sky high forever. Used to be pretty cheap a good while back. I’d like to know what the true cost is. Gotta be 2000% markup by the time it gets to consumer.

The increases began when Duponts patent ran out.

There was no issue with any of it, and then all of a sudden Dupont "discovered" it was bad for the environment. Just so happens they had developed a version that wasn't as bad 🙄

I’d be surprised if it hadn’t been better to convert to an alternative refrigerant.

At this rate of the EPA changing standards every few years
We will be using amonnia again
Full circle

And big government said, "dupont, if you can place a few pallets of benjamins with this list of govt employees, we can probably help you with your little problem". The campaign contributions and kickbacks are counted and deposited and wallah, "Old style Freon is so bad for the environment and green movemnt, so lets get our unelected bureaucrats over at the EPA to gin up some new regs to help those dupont boys out with their problem."

We had 10 2000 Ton centrifugals when I was working for Google 😳 I don’t miss anything chiller related

What do you do for a living, or use it for? And what refrigerant was it?

Another new refrigerant mandate coming in 2025 to replace 410-a and I’ve heard the patent on it is held by the Chinese. It also contains butane which is flammable. Nothing makes sense anymore. My refrigerant cost for this year are up about 180% over this time last year and I had and still have a lot bought from several years ago. A good example is a 25 pd drum of 410 was around 99 in December of 2019 now it’s over 500

We’ve spent over $1 mil in Freon this year on 2 Fricks that crapped the bed a few times. That’s ridiculous.

At one time I heard it was the most smuggled item coming across the border

When my dad, who was in the commercial refrigeration business set all our freezers up with R502. He sold several hundred pounds of it ten years ago after being sought out by meat packing company up north, all I remember cash money deal was over a 100K. Very happy he left a couple partial 100lb cylinders for us.

I remember back when I went to school at Auburn I had a Thermo professor that said everything in history of thermo engineering was centered around R12. When they outlaw it, we will see major problems world wide. He was not wrong...............

I remember as a kid R12 was so cheap my grandfather aired up my flat bike tires and kept a tank in the back of his ford truck in case his tires were low.

Yep. A friend of mine’s dad was in the refrigeration business.
We aired up lots of four wheeler and dirt bike tires with R12.

I manage the finances, facilities and IT of a non profit. I believe it uses R12. All I know is the sucker will chill water down well below 44 degrees on a 100 degree day, and in the software it says it can make ice.

I love managing the chiller. Can't wait for the new controls to get here.

little known fact, propane is an excellent refrigerant and an almost perfect substitute for R12 (other than the flammability) lots of folks with older cars use it as a substitute.