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Abortion in the Bible #3711621
07/20/22 08:51 AM
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I read this and the first thing that came to mind , thou shall not murder . I guess he over look that one right off the bat.. read it you'll see the bs he tries to blend into his argument.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bible-actually-says-abortion-may-122202600.html

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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711623
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No way Jesus would ever kill a child. Therefore I am pro-life.


Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711624
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Yeah, that's complete garbage.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711625
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She’s a fool. This reminds me of the first chapter of Romans when God turns the people over to their debased minds. We’re living Romans chapter 1

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: FreeStateHunter] #3711628
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Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
She’s a fool. This reminds me of the first chapter of Romans when God turns the people over to their debased minds. We’re living Romans chapter 1



Way it is wrote , what's dumber than a fool. She basically threw $hit at a wall hopping some would stick.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711629
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Knew it was garbage when I saw the author was from "Fresno Pacific.."


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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711638
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She is an absolute idiot. She is the kind of person the bible warns about. A false teacher.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711656
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Even if we suppose the Bible doesn't mention abortion as this writer suggests, I don't need The Good Book to know that taking an innocent life is wrong. I don't know at what point God considers a fetus a life but I can make a good guess at what his viewpoint is and if I'm wrong, then I will have erred on the side of caution with nothing lost in doing so.


Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Hammertime7v2] #3711658
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Originally Posted by Hammertime7v2
Knew it was garbage when I saw the author was from "Fresno Pacific.."

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: jmudler] #3711659
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Originally Posted by jmudler
No way Jesus would ever kill a child. Therefore I am pro-life.



Easy there...Old Testament Jesus wanted ALL Amalekites destroyed

Men, Women, Children, Livestock, everything

Do not place limits on the wrath of God.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Nightwatchman] #3711676
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by jmudler
No way Jesus would ever kill a child. Therefore I am pro-life.



Easy there...Old Testament Jesus wanted ALL Amalekites destroyed

Men, Women, Children, Livestock, everything

Do not place limits on the wrath of God.


Jesus didnt die in the Old Testament. God hated sin and we are sinners. Jesus took our place. Old Testament = follow me or else. New Testement = follow me because you love me.

Last edited by jmudler; 07/20/22 10:06 AM.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711680
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The bible commands abortion
Numbers 5
17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—
21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.
22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” “ ‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
23 “ ‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her.

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Originally Posted by jmudler
Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by jmudler
No way Jesus would ever kill a child. Therefore I am pro-life.



Easy there...Old Testament Jesus wanted ALL Amalekites destroyed

Men, Women, Children, Livestock, everything

Do not place limits on the wrath of God.


Jesus didnt die in the Old Testament. God hated sin and we are sinners. Jesus took our place. Old Testament = follow me or else. New Testement = follow me because you love me.


Matthew 5:17-18, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: jmudler] #3711684
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Originally Posted by jmudler
No way Jesus would ever kill a child. Therefore I am pro-life.


Every first born child in Egypt.
Every child on the planet except for the few that were in a boat.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: hawndog] #3711690
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Originally Posted by hawndog
Originally Posted by jmudler
No way Jesus would ever kill a child. Therefore I am pro-life.


Every first born child in Egypt.
Every child on the planet except for the few that were in a boat.


Old testament. Jesus did not murder anyone when he was bodily present on this earth


Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: jmudler] #3711692
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Originally Posted by jmudler
Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by jmudler
No way Jesus would ever kill a child. Therefore I am pro-life.



Easy there...Old Testament Jesus wanted ALL Amalekites destroyed

Men, Women, Children, Livestock, everything

Do not place limits on the wrath of God.


Jesus didnt die in the Old Testament. God hated sin and we are sinners. Jesus took our place. Old Testament = follow me or else. New Testement = follow me because you love me.


New Covenant. Thank God.

I had a feeling this thread would devolve into this OT law angle.

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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: FreeStateHunter] #3711703
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Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
She’s a fool. This reminds me of the first chapter of Romans when God turns the people over to their debased minds. We’re living Romans chapter 1


You are correct sir


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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: jawbone] #3711705
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God considers a fetus to be a child according to His Word. Just a couple of examples here that were ignored in the article:

Genesis 25 - "the children struggled within her"
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21 Now Isaac pleaded with the Lord for his wife, because she was barren; and the Lord granted his plea, and Rebekah his wife conceived. 22 But the children struggled together within her; and she said, “If all is well, why am I like this?” So she went to inquire of the Lord.
23 And the Lord said to her:
“Two nations are in your womb,
Two peoples shall be separated from your body;
One people shall be stronger than the other,
And the older shall serve the younger.”
24 So when her days were fulfilled for her to give birth, indeed there were twins in her womb. 25 And the first came out red. He was like a hairy garment all over; so they called his name Esau. 26 Afterward his brother came out, and his hand took hold of Esau’s heel; so his name was called Jacob.



Luke 1 "the babe leaped in my womb for joy"
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39 Now Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah,
40 and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth.
41 And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711708
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Justification of sin is not new.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: hawndog] #3711714
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Originally Posted by hawndog
The bible commands abortion
Numbers 5
17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—
21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.
22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” “ ‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
23 “ ‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her.


Well to poke holes in your theory, this also speaks in terms of a marital relationship, and adutery. It doesn't say if you went out and had a 1 night stand and got preggo and and don't want it. It also doesn't say anything about an unwanted pregnancy because you can't afford it, or a child would be inconvenient. This also sounds like it is something the husband initiates.

In nature, all animals of the female persuasion die to protect their young. Except in humans. If we aren't prepared to die for our children, then why should Jesus have been prepared to die for His Father's children?

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