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Re: SBR question
[Re: Frankie]
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06/20/22 05:04 PM
06/20/22 05:04 PM
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To my knowledge, this is one of the reasons to buy a stripped lower and build it out. It started out it's life transgendered. As far as the ATF is concerned it didn't know if it wanted to be a rifle or pistol. You could legally swap back and forth as long as you didn't:
1. If the overall length is under 26" and it has a vertical grip. It becomes an SBR.
2. Put a rifle stock on a pistol upper. That would become a SBR. Any pistol upper has to have a brace vs. stock.
Someone correct me if I am wrong there.
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Re: SBR question
[Re: jmudler]
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06/20/22 05:24 PM
06/20/22 05:24 PM
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2. If the lower started out life as a rifle lower. That is stupid. How would anyone know? The 4473 when it was originally sold/transferred is 100% irrefutable and tells what the lower began life as. If the serial number gets run, they know immediately. Dumb? Yep. But, that's the law. What if it was a 80% lower.............. They about to change that , all 80% will be sold with a SN#. check out bidens last executive orders
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Re: SBR question
[Re: Frankie]
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06/20/22 05:26 PM
06/20/22 05:26 PM
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You wanting 80% lowers you better be buying them up. All 80% stuff not just ar
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Re: SBR question
[Re: jmudler]
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06/21/22 05:17 PM
06/21/22 05:17 PM
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2. If the lower started out life as a rifle lower. That is stupid. How would anyone know? The 4473 when it was originally sold/transferred is 100% irrefutable and tells what the lower began life as. If the serial number gets run, they know immediately. Dumb? Yep. But, that's the law. What if it was a 80% lower.............. 80% Lowers can be either just like a stripped lower
There are two types of gun enthusiasts ... Those who have been F#CKED by PTG and those who will be!
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Re: SBR question
[Re: Frankie]
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06/22/22 08:10 AM
06/22/22 08:10 AM
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They about to change that , all 80% will be sold with a SN#.
check out bidens last executive orders
I do not see 80% lowers requiring SNs the only thing passed is it is illegal for one who sells 80% lowers can not sell kits as a combo with instructions. If you see anything sooner, please post a link.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Re: SBR question
[Re: jmudler]
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07/07/22 01:23 PM
07/07/22 01:23 PM
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They about to change that , all 80% will be sold with a SN#.
check out bidens last executive orders
I do not see 80% lowers requiring SNs the only thing passed is it is illegal for one who sells 80% lowers can not sell kits as a combo with instructions. If you see anything sooner, please post a link. Aparenlty what I was referring to got stripped out. The original version basically said any gun built from an 80% lower would have to be serialized within 180 days of passage and any new 80% frames would have to be sold with an SN#. The problem with having current guns serialized was they were sayig only Licensed manfacturers could serialize them with a SN# assigned to you by the state. So if you were assigned an SN# then engraved it yourself you would/could be charged as an unlicensed manufacturer. The problem with having a licensed manufacturer do it is the cost involved. They have to file and pay ITAR taxes on each gun manfactured and I;m sure they'd charge for the serialization too... Glad to see that got stripped out
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