Exactly, no US soldiers involved but all the equipment and humanitarian aid they need. Putin needs to go one way or another. As to Ukraine corruption, they are a fledgling democracy and they are learning from us. They are no more corrupt than our own gov't. with Hunter Biden and Little Romney being prime examples. It is really funny to read Americans condemning Ukraine for having a corrupt gov't. when it is our politicians driving the car that keeps them on this road.[/quote]

I do not really care how corrupt the Ukraine government is. Its when our government is involved with them that there is a problem. And they are.

Those SwitchBlade drones will give Putin's military nightmares. The 300's can easily take out every fuel and supply truck driven across the border. The 600's are tank killers. The cost to protect those assets are beyond Russia's budget. Estimates are Russia only has 10 more days of supplies in Ukraine before it grinds to a halt.

If I understand your stance correctly, your opinion is that slinging money towards Ukraine is going to prevent kids from getting blown up or keep them fed? That makes no sense.
Did you feel the same way during the years that Ukraine was dropping bombs / shelling in the Donbas region of their own country?
Do you think had we sent more money to Iraq / Afghanistan innocent children would have been saved?
I am certainly not a Putin sympathizer, but if his reasoning for the invasion was to get rid of OUR bio labs located in the Ukraine (which I strongly suspect it was) then I support that. The pandemic we have been dealing with for the past 2 years came from a very similar bio lab and I'd rather not have any more 'outbreaks'.

And they impeached Trump for a phone call

The bio labs were not for producing biological weapons. They are part of the Biological Threat Reduction Program that aims to reduce the likelihood of deadly outbreaks, whether natural or manmade. Been there since the 1990's.

First off, yes I think that giving Ukraine military aid to kill Russian soldiers will help save women, children and other innocents. Also send them humanitarian aid so they can eat and drink. I never said send them money. I have been very clear that if it is as bad as reported then money does them no good.

I have never heard of the Ukrainian gov't targeting women and children in Donbas.

You claim to not be a Putin supporter but you are eating his propaganda like it is buttered popcorn.

It’s all apart of the narrative.

They didn't have to 'target' women and children for them to become collateral damage, it did happen.
If I supported Putin I would have no qualms straight up saying so.
Why do you so fervently support Ukraine? I think you may confused as to which of us is buying into the propaganda, as I expect your expertise on Ukraine dies right at the end of what the news tells you. I could be wrong though, enlighten me.


Yeah, and hunter Bidens laptop is Russian disinformation, right?

No Foreign wars. Period. I'm done with this shit. No more. Allies need to man up and defend themselves. Stop taking our money and resources.

If someone invades us, then fine, beat that azz. Otherwise, man up and defend your own.

They didn't have to 'target' women and children for them to become collateral damage, it did happen.
If I supported Putin I would have no qualms straight up saying so.
Why do you so fervently support Ukraine? I think you may confused as to which of us is buying into the propaganda, as I expect your expertise on Ukraine dies right at the end of what the news tells you. I could be wrong though, enlighten me.


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Ukraine corruption isnt the point here. I do believe there is some sketchy crap the US is doing there as well. With that said, What Putin and Russia is doing now is something the world has not seen since 1939. Putin is show the imperialistic “Madman” action of Hitler. If the US had not sent a billion dollars worth of Javelins, stingers and ammo, Ukraine would have fell before now. The principle of Freedom that IS the United States, It is what has set this country apart in History. If Putin is allowed to go unchecked, he will continue to pick off the Slavic countries to put the Soviet Union back together. Once that is achieved, will he stop there or continue? Khrushchev said in the 60’s that Communism will one day overtake the world and it will eventually be done, not with bullets but by the complacency of the United States. For this country to sit back and do absolutely nothing as you suggest is just wrong. This country is obligated to help any struggling democracy in any effort to fight off Communism. Especially in a battle as blatant as this one is. I feel this country should go 1 step further and enforce a No Fly zone. I feel the US has the training and AirPower to keep the Russians at bay with virtually no US loses. If anything Russia has proved in the last 3 weeks is the lack of defense funding has shown in their preparedness. (Or lack of)

I support Ukraine because they were invaded for no other reason than Putin is a maniacal maniac that thought his army was strong enough to bully the world and build himself an empire. So far the only one his bullying seems to be working on is Biden. He is purposely targeting civilians. That is a lot different than collateral damage. I guess I'll say it in the strongest way I can and that is to say that if I had the opportunity I'd put a bullet right between his beady eyes. I guess the only other person I've ever felt like that about in my lifetime was Bin Laden.

The no fly zone would put us in direct conflict with Russia. Surprised that Russia doesn't seem to have drones or hasn't used them.

See my previous post. You and I are in agreement about the no fly zone. I'm surprised at the lack of Russian drones too.

Like I said... It's all going to be over in a couple of weeks. They are pretty close to an agreement right now.

The two separatists regions will become "Independent States"
Crimea will remain in Russian hands
Ukraine will retain its military and much like Austria, Sweden, and Finland will become a neutral state and agree to never join an alliance.
You and my tax dollars will begin to roll into Ukraine.
Politicians will get even richer.

You may be right, all signs are certainly pointing to that, but yesterday Putin put Russians on notice there would be “A Cleanse” of “those that dont share our values” (Sound familiar?) That doesnt sound like somebody who is willing to compromise before achieving his original objective. Still a VERY dangerous situation!

I agree. Hard to predict Putin at this point.

Unlike others, I'm convinced the Ukrainians are kicking some major ass (Killed the 4th Russian general yesterday) and I don't believe all of it is Ukrainian propaganda. Read today that Russian soldiers are shooting themselves in the legs with Ukrainian ammo so they can be taken out of combat. The captured Russians are claiming that they are being forced to kill civilians, and lots of other stuff.

I also read where insiders in the Russian government are saying that Putin's top advisers are lying to him about what is actually going on in the battlefield.

I'd just need to see a list of his values first... we may need him over here 🤣🤣

Putin's only value is himself ...

That is the real question.
Time is on Ukraine's side especially given the mass influx of Western weapons coupled with the massive sanctions regime.
But Putin has committed his *entire* life's work and his very existence in this world on conquering Ukraine and forcing it back into the Russian Empire. He is not going to give up and will continue to do everything possible to win this war. He has planned this invasion since he took office in 2000 and, in my opinion, dreamed of it since the day the USSR collapsed in 1991.

The result: an eventual Ukrainian victory - as I predicted from the very beginning.
But at a horrible terrible cost to the Ukrainian people and their cities that Putin is hell bent on completely destroying in his effort to terrorize Ukraine into capitulation.

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Remember I also said this before the war:

I said that we would never see anyone in Ukraine welcoming the Russians.
I said that the Ukrainians would fight tooth and nail and never give up.
I said that no one in Ukraine would greet the Russians as liberators - not even in the "Russian speaking" areas of east and south.
I said there would be no quick Russian victory.
I said the Russians could not win in Ukraine as the ENTIRE POPULATION - east, west, north and south was against Russia and Russian rule because they want to be a part of Europe and not Russia - - and they are SICK of being mass murdered, terrorized, enslaved, etc. etc. etc by Russia the last 300 years (when conquered and subjugated by Peter the "Great").


And History has proven me right.

Here is another thing I will predict: Ukraine will never agree to cede one inch of Ukrainian territory - except perhaps the pre war part of D/LPR.
And even that remains to be seen.

Today Putin has unleashed a Hypersonic missile into Ukraine, this is a major step in Putin’s war. Military experts in the US are saying this is Putin sending a message that Nuclear escalation is on his radar, it is meant as a “Back Off” Message to the US. So assuming Putin sends a small nuke or 2 into Ukraine, what is the west’s reaction? What kind of a feeble statement and response will President Brandon give? Look at the news reports coming out of Russia, the grocery stores are literally empty. The Russian people are getting desperate so Putin is getting desperate. Putin is the wild card, if somebody in Russia doesnt take this nut job out, there is a good chance the world will see nuclear weapons. Hopefully on a limited basis.